Need some help speccing out a video editing PC

Fraggable

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I'm speccing out a bunch of PCs for the school I work at to be set up in the elementary PC lab next year and I need some help figuring out what to spend money on. I've built countless PCs but I've never done video editing so I don't know what parts to spend more on.

Right now I've got picked out:
C2D E6600 + motherboard
1GB (1GBX1) DDR 667 memory
1X 400+GB SATA 3.0GB/s Seagate HDD
case, PSU, DVD/RW, etc.
ATI X300SE video card or similar w/dual outputs
2X 17" LCDs

I'd like to keep each PC under $1200.
 

Oyeve

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Video editing is more cpu and memory intensive so 2gb is recommended for XP. If you are gonna go vista I would recommend 4gb for vid editing. Dont know much about the 2 cpus you listed but I think either would be fine unless the price dif between them is huge. You also didnt put a vid card in there.
 

Fraggable

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Thanks for that Oyeve, it will be running XP, possibly Vista in the future but probably not for a couple years at least.

It picked out a 7300LE TurboCache PCI-E X16 video card.
 

Howard

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Just remember that hard drive reliability is twice as low with a pair of drives in RAID 0.
 

themisfit610

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NO TURBOCACHE :)

It will steal main system RAM. Get a video card with 128MB of discrete memory.

What editing platform will you be using, and what kind of video will you be editing? DV? HDV? DVCPro HD? Analog? You may need a capture card if you intend to bring in assets from an analog source like Beta SP or VHS.

If you go with RAID 0, make sure you keep backups. One drive failure means everything goes. The extra speed is nice, especially when rendering out your project to a DV file. Get as much storage as you can get your paws on. Just a few projects will fill up drives like crazy. It's easy to add later, but make sure you get a good sized case, and a board with a lot of SATA ports. Internal is preferable to external.

Good choice on the LCD, though having 2 19" LCDs might be preferable if the price can be worked in.

The faster your CPU the faster your effects will render, so I would say go for the E6600 if your budget permits.

~MiSfit
 

Fraggable

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Thanks a lot themisfit, that's exactly what I was looking for.

I'm planning to use Adobe Premier Pro 2.0.
We are planning to do backups by setting up a similar system with 2 750GB HDDs that will accept scheduled backups from each of the systems.
The mobos I picked out have 4 SATA ports, I could get ones with 6.
Ok, I'll get a video card with 128 dedicated without Turbocache. The 7300LE has 128MB dedicated though.
We'll be working with video from a JVC-GX5 or something like that, it uses DV-mini tapes and records in standard resolution DV.

What about 2 17" LCDs? would that be better than one 22"?
 

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Originally posted by: Fraggable
We'll be working with video from a JVC-GX5 or something like that, it uses DV-mini tapes and records in standard resolution DV.
What about 2 17" LCDs? would that be better than one 22"?
I'd probably take 2 17" screens over a single 22". That way you get a full 17" display for your editing timeline, and a full 17" display for watching the output.

I'm not familiar with the specs of that particular camera, but if your main goal is video editing, I'd also looking into making sure the motherboard has firewire built in (as most cameras use that). You could also get a PCI firewire, but I'd look into onboard myself.

You are right though. The CPU is much more important than the video card in this case. The only things I'd "look into" are video cards with dual connectors out, as well as VIVO (in case you need analog input for whatever reason. Not needed, but something to think about).
 

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Instead of doing RAID-0 I would suggest having each drive on its own controller, and using one of them as a scratch disk. I have done video editing with Adobe Premiere Elements and having a separate drive on a separate controller, in my experience, is faster than having a RAID-0 array. If you have another drive just for the scratch disk *in addition* to the RAID-0, that would be even better. Having faster than average hard drives (10,000RPM?) will help as well.
 

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Based on Jonathan Young's response, what if I had a 36GB Raptor for the OS + Photoshop + Premiere Pro program files, and a 320GB SATA 3.0/GBs storage drive? I would get 2 drives on different controllers and a fast OS drive, but less storage space. Or even a Raptor and 2 120-160GB drives in RAID 0?

I'll plan to go with 2 17" LCDs based on Tyhr's response, that makes sense and comes out to the same cost as a 22" anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: mshan
Why don't you get some Apple iMacs (education discount will probably apply).

iMovie and iDVD are so simple, yet can produce very high quality results.


If you have to build a Windows machine:
http://www.videoguys.com/system.htm
http://videoguys.com/DIY.html

Cost and the time and effort it would take to figure out how to integrate them into our Windows 2003 server environment..

An iMac of much lower specs will cost $1099 with the education discount, plus the cost of the software. I know imovie and idvd come on the macs but I think we'd still want to buy Premiere Pro 2.0 for them, which is upwards of $300/license.
 

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Don't worry about the video card, it will have no effect on video editing performance other than if it is dual head you can send one feed to a preview monitor, which is really nice if your software supports it.

Ideally I'd go 20" for main display and 17" for preview monitor using dual head. I would do normal aspect ratio (not wide) on the 20" so you can see more stacked tracks, the height is more important than the width of the display for video editing in my opinion.

RAID is unneccessary. Standard definition and even HDV will be cpu bound long before it will be disk bound. That is unless they will be editing uncompressed HD video or an instane number of feeds, like 8 or more. I doubt the kids will be editing more than 4 or 5 streams (cameras) at once so you'll be fine with any modern 7200rpm SATA drive. Most likely they have a camera feed or two they'll be cutting up. I personally wouldn't spend to much time teaching them the software but instead teach them how to edit footage into an interesting story. Once rolling they'll figure out the software themselves.

2GB of memory will be no faster than 1GB for XP if they are ONLY video editing. I can't speak to Vista as I have not tested it. Save the memory money and put it into a faster cpu. You can always upgrade the memory later if Vista requires it.

Buy the fastest CPU you can as that will determine performance more than anything else.

I've written a few books on DVD authoring and have spoken at NAB about video editing so I do have some experience on this matter.
 

Fraggable

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I've edited the OP in response to posts here, please review them and let me know what you think.
 

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Originally posted by: oynaz
Forget RAID. It is not worth the trouble.

I've been video editing home movies (raw AVI from DV) for over 5 years. The single most important piece in my video editing machine other than the CPU is my RAID 0 array - IMO it's worth it

 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: Hulk
Don't worry about the video card, it will have no effect on video editing performance other than if it is dual head you can send one feed to a preview monitor, which is really nice if your software supports it.

Ideally I'd go 20" for main display and 17" for preview monitor using dual head. I would do normal aspect ratio (not wide) on the 20" so you can see more stacked tracks, the height is more important than the width of the display for video editing in my opinion.

RAID is unneccessary. Standard definition and even HDV will be cpu bound long before it will be disk bound. That is unless they will be editing uncompressed HD video or an instane number of feeds, like 8 or more. I doubt the kids will be editing more than 4 or 5 streams (cameras) at once so you'll be fine with any modern 7200rpm SATA drive. Most likely they have a camera feed or two they'll be cutting up. I personally wouldn't spend to much time teaching them the software but instead teach them how to edit footage into an interesting story. Once rolling they'll figure out the software themselves.

2GB of memory will be no faster than 1GB for XP if they are ONLY video editing. I can't speak to Vista as I have not tested it. Save the memory money and put it into a faster cpu. You can always upgrade the memory later if Vista requires it.

Buy the fastest CPU you can as that will determine performance more than anything else.

I've written a few books on DVD authoring and have spoken at NAB about video editing so I do have some experience on this matter.
+1 with a caveat

1GB multiple drives over 2GB single.

Disagree a little on video cards (my caveat) - The latest Vegas and all Avid products are tied to video performance (well Xpress and is larger siblings are tied more to a card line). After Effects latest version is also now using the GPU too from the specs I remember. But, the 7300 should be fine for PP in DV. In this situation, Hulk is on target that it will not get you much more. nVidia is a better choice with Adobe and Sony than ATI (if you were using Avid Liquid or Pinnacle Studio - you would want ATI over nVidia.)

I have RAID 0 volumes as I will multicam and have multiple feeds including HD. It is a myth that R0 is half as reliable. The real statistics involve MTBF, standard deviations, and may be eclipsed by other components in the system. It could be that you would decrease MTBF from 10 to 7 years, but that is a mean/average which is just another 'statistic'.

BUT, if you can get away with using three individual drives, do it. It will speed up your bootup and load to go with a Raptor, but the extra cost could have bought a 500GB and any slack on the OS drive can be additional "offline" storage for completed ISO files or project backups (I think PP2 supports backup). I have 4 250GB drives, a 400 R0, and a set of Raptors for OS. The Raptors do nothing for my performance while editing. My 400 volume can get me about 4 lines of HD in combo with my processors and my X800XT and the 250 (Rendered is on it - the more I render the slower the playback as the 250 becomes the bottleneck along with the AGP bus if I do not render the streams). That is HD 1080 in Liquid, which operates completely differently than PP. But still get the extra drives.

edit - Based on update OP, still try nVidia. Would like to see 1x250, 1 x 400, 1 x 250+ if it were me.