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Solodays

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Originally posted by: Wahsapa
i would go with something a little more brand name... iv never heard of bell howell



I know. i havn't of them either, but the specs and the price looks mighty good. sometimes you're just paying for a NAME, Sony products are the most overpriced.
 

SSP

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If you just want a point and shoot, there are many digicams out there that will give you good enough quality for a good price (check out sites like dcresources.com, dpreview.com etc).

Higher mega pixels doesn?t guarantee a better looking picture, like some one said, it gives you a higher resolution. The quality of the pic depends on the optics, sensor, and noise reduction the camera does internally. Just keep this in mind, its not as simple as higher MP is better.

I would recommend you picking a price range, and research on any camera that fit the bill.

Things to look for are manual controls if you plan to take more then simple point and shoot stuff (some have limited manual controls). Also look for something with an auto focus assist lamp (a light that help the camera to focus in low light). It?s a pain in the ass if you are trying to take a pic in low light and it doesn?t want to focus.

I'd also stick with Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Sony and Olympus (and possible some of the Panasonic lumix cams) over that Howell thing you posted.

Also, for the person who said to stay away from Sony, may god have mercy on your soul, cause Ornery is on his way. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
4) Avoid any and all camera websites from New York.

Why?

NY sites/stores generally deal with grey market cameras, or they will use classic bait and switch tactics. I.E. they will price the camera low, but if you don't purchase their high priced accessories then they all of a sudden don't have the camera in stock, etc.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Lazee
Originally posted by: RossMAN
4) Avoid any and all camera websites from New York.

Why?

NY sites/stores generally deal with grey market cameras, or they will use classic bait and switch tactics. I.E. they will price the camera low, but if you don't purchase their high priced accessories then they all of a sudden don't have the camera in stock, etc.

yes they are basically all scams, however not all stores in NYC are like that

B&H video & Adorama are 2 of the biggers photo stores anywhere and they are both in NYC

if you order online make sure you check resellerratings first, of hell even post here
 

Solodays

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Nobody can give you right suggestions unless you tell us exactly how you're going to use camera.



nothing special. just wanna purchase an digital camera to take pics, vacation, family, etc...all i wanted is a good digital camera with high quality pics.
 

Solodays

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Solodays
probably around 400-500. the megapixel is the most important aspect in a digital camera, isnt it?

'Megapixel' is NOT about the quality of pictures. Megapixel = Resolution; in other word, Megapixel= the size of picture when you develop them. You really need to need more and many reviews before considering what digital camera to buy.



well.. higher resolution = better outcome.
 

faenix

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Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Solodays
probably around 400-500. the megapixel is the most important aspect in a digital camera, isnt it?

'Megapixel' is NOT about the quality of pictures. Megapixel = Resolution; in other word, Megapixel= the size of picture when you develop them. You really need to need more and many reviews before considering what digital camera to buy.



well.. higher resolution = better outcome.


You're an idiot. If you don't want to take our advice, go and get the Bell Howell 6.0.

 

Bullhonkie

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Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Solodays
probably around 400-500. the megapixel is the most important aspect in a digital camera, isnt it?

'Megapixel' is NOT about the quality of pictures. Megapixel = Resolution; in other word, Megapixel= the size of picture when you develop them. You really need to need more and many reviews before considering what digital camera to buy.

well.. higher resolution = better outcome.

That's like saying for video cards, more memory = better performance. There are other factors to take into account, some of which can be much more important than the amount of megapixels. Marketing folks are the ones who want you to think megapixels are all that matters - or in the case of video cards, the more memory the better.
 

aceO07

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Originally posted by: Solodays
heres the camera i'm talking about.

http://www.thpsales.com/store/...tem.asp?idProduct=1029

any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

I would AVOID that camera. It does NOT have optical zoom. It's INTERPOLATED 6 megapixels. it's a tiny camera from a company that's not known for cameras, so I'd assume their optics are poor along with everything else. check out the Canon Powershot SD200 or similiar models if you want something that size and of better quality.

Here are a few things to think about:
1. megapixels IS NOT as important as OPTICS QUALITY. marketing ploy. bigger cameras generally have better optics than smaller cameras.
2. digital zoom IS NOT important. it's marketing ploy. you can do digital zoom when you see it on the computer.
3. do research on www.dpreview.com and lurk their forums for a week to learn about cameras. if they doesn't list the camera you want, it's probably very very new or not worth looking at.
3. use resellerratings.com to check up on any online stores before buying.

B&H is a VERY respected camera store in NYC with GOOD prices. www.bhphotovideo.com. other online stores are good as well, so do some research for yourself.

edit: as Wahsapa mentioned, that camera's battery life isn't that impressive. For an idea of an impressive battery, my camera can take almost 600 pictures without recharging. Being able to stay powered on for 2hours isn't much of a challenge.
 

Wahsapa

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its not impressive... the lens isnt impressive, the battery life doesnt seem impressive and im sure the UI is horrible, the digital zoom only automatically makes me count it out and its REALLY small...

if you wanted a small camera i would check out the one i talked about earlier... actually heres a review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0...102panasonicfx2fx7.asp

and it thats to expensive check out the canon s60 like somebody else said
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: faenix
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Solodays
probably around 400-500. the megapixel is the most important aspect in a digital camera, isnt it?

'Megapixel' is NOT about the quality of pictures. Megapixel = Resolution; in other word, Megapixel= the size of picture when you develop them. You really need to need more and many reviews before considering what digital camera to buy.



well.. higher resolution = better outcome.


You're an idiot. If you don't want to take our advice, go and get the Bell Howell 6.0.

Yep he is an idiot and is going to blow $300 on a POS.

Oh well, he's going to get a heaping serving of "told you so".

There are so many great digicam choices in the $300 price range.
 

ttown

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That Bell and Howell is junk... But I might consider it if it were $10 or less, just because it's small.

#1) Ignore ALL claims of "digital zoom". If you like the pixelation/Andy Warhol effect, you can "digitally zoom" from any image software, 4X, 40X, 1000X...whatever. That spec is meaningless.
Someone said optical is 80 times better than digital... they accidentally left off 12 zeroes.
#2) higher resolution <> better outcome. a crappy picture at 1000000 X 1000000 is still a crappy picture.

The "megapixel" stat is only usefull in that a higher MP gives you greater image-editing leeway.

Now the advice:
Lens quality and OPTICAL zoom and quality sensor = good picture. The B&amp;H has 0/3.
Zoom out greater than about 4x, and you better have image stabilization or a tripod.

For example, I have a panasonic FZ1 2.1MP 12X Optical zoom w/Leica lens, and image stabilization -- which is about a zillion times better than that Bell-and-Howell -- and it's being sold for less than $200 (search 'Hot deals'). That "low" 2.1MP only means I have very little opportunity for image-cropping after the picture has been taken. I offset that drawback with the fact that I can zoom-in (stabilized!) so close that I don't have to crop at all.

For indoor pics, I'd recommend Olympus based on reviews that I've read. A lot of people around here seem to like canon and sony. Spend half a day reading at www.dpreview.com to get an idea of what features would be useful to you.

good luck
 

psiu

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
1) Make sure it has at least 3x optical zoom
2) Avoid HP and Kodak, stick with Sony, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, and Minolta.
3) Buy from an authorized reseller to ensure that your manufacturer's warranty will be honored.
4) Avoid any and all camera websites from New York.
5) Remember to get a Hot Deal on it, do not pay retail!
6) To find the best model check out Dave's picks

Hey, don't forget Fuji!!!!

Oh, and here:

(Make an informed decision)

Steve's Digicams
Digital Photography Review
Imaging Resource

Review of Canon PowerShot S1 IS Digital Camera
10x Optical zoom, image-stabilized, 3.3 megapixel.

And no, megapixels are the not the end all and be all in camera's. Just like "meG4hur7zz" are the not the only factor in CPU buying.

I have a Fuji Finepix A205. Got it for 84.94 in the spring. It is just now coming down to the $100 mark, and still as high as $150. 2 megapixels. Beautiful pics.
 

Solodays

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alright, i'll pass on the Bell+Howell. it does seem abit legitimate that not a single website carry this camera, like amazon.com , newgg.com, etc...i think i'll probably get an Cannon..how about this one, it's under $200. http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_...-30732128.html?tag=pop

i would'nt might sheeding out another $100 or so if the image quality is couple times better than the one i linked.
 

nsafreak

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I used to sell cameras before I moved out of the retail sector. The Canon Powershots are a very solid line of digital cameras. Good feature set and a pretty sturdily built casing with a nice lens to top it off. Get a good sized CF card for it and you're good to go.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Solodays
alright, i'll pass on the Bell+Howell. it does seem abit legitimate that not a single website carry this camera, like amazon.com , newgg.com, etc...i think i'll probably get an Cannon..how about this one, it's under $200. http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_...-30732128.html?tag=pop

i would'nt might sheeding out another $100 or so if the image quality is couple times better than the one i linked.

Honestly I'd shell out like $50 more and get the next higher one. Higher resolution gives you much more flexibility in editing the pictures you take.
 

Sluggo

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Originally posted by: Solodays
alright, i'll pass on the Bell+Howell. it does seem abit legitimate that not a single website carry this camera, like amazon.com , newgg.com, etc...i think i'll probably get an Cannon..how about this one, it's under $200. http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_...-30732128.html?tag=pop

i would'nt might sheeding out another $100 or so if the image quality is couple times better than the one i linked.

If these photos look decent to you, go with the A75. Nice camera and will take a good picture.

Good price
Cheap (CF) memory
AA batteries, way cheap or you can buy rechargeables and save even more.
 
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I love my Powershot S1 IS, but it's not necessarily a "point and shoot" camera. It's also probably a little bigger than you'd want. I'd say just get an A75/A85(/A95 but not sure of the pricing on that one) and be done with it.
 

Deadtrees

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That camera you're talking about uses CMOS sensor instead of CCD sensor!
Unless it's a dslr camera, do NOT even think about a camera with a cmos sensor. Nowadays, even cell phone cameras stopped using freaking CMOS sensors. Do you want to buy a camera that has a 6 million megapixel resolution of webcam??? You should really do some research before you plan to get a camera. Buying a camera that fits you is a lot harder than buying a computer. Do some research!
 

Deadtrees

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Canon A75 is, indeed, very good. If you like vivid pictures, go for canon. You might also consider Canon SD-10(If you don't plan to use a optical zoom and want it to fit in the pocket of your jeans), or some other Canon cameras. BTW, SD-400 is known as the king of compact digital cameras.