Need Recommendation on rechargable batteries

mikeyes

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My kid has a hand-held game/computer that takes 6 AA's and can eat them up like nothing I've ever seen. I was thinking of investing in some rechargeable batteries for that and other battery sucking devices like the digital camera and MP3 player.

Can anyone recommend a good brand and source for the battery and charger. I would prefer a charger that could handle at least 8 AA or AAA and could also do C and D sizes although the AA and AAA size would be the priority.

Speed on the charger is not critical especially if it means a slower charger would allow the battery to last longer.

Thanks.
 

pm

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Two sites that I have used in the past, that offer generally reliable, cheap, rechargeable batteries are:

http://www.batteryspace.com
http://www.thomasdistributingshop.com/

Both of these all have generally good reviews from "resellerratings.com".
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/BatterySpace
http://www.resellerratings.com...re/Thomas_Distributing

Thomas Distributing was, last time that I checked, a bit more expensive, but I've heard anecdotally that they sell a better quality of product (not sure if this is true or not, but on the battery-powered vehicle forums, people who buy batteries in bulk seem more pleased with Thomas).
 

mikeyes

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Any recommendations on which batteries seem work work better than others or good charger brands/styles?
 

pm

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Generally the best NiMH batteries are the low-self-discharge varieties. These basically keep their charge intact even when they aren't used. But if you are using a lot of batteries now, it's unlikely that they will lose their charge since you will be using and replacing them too quickly. I'd just get the largest capacity NiMH batteries you can find, and if you think they'll bit sitting around a lot, then get the low-self-discharge version.

For chargers:
The cheapest NiMH chargers are the very slow trickle chargers. These just charge the batteries endlessly forever and are the slowest, cheapest and hardest-on-the-battery variety of charger. These will charge a battery in 8-12 hours.

After that comes the timed NiMH chargers which basically charge continuously until they reach a timed limit and then shut off. These chargers also are cheap and hard on longterm battery life since, unless the battery is nearly dead, you'll overcharge it, but they are much faster than the trickle chargers. They charge a cell in about 2 hours usually - but results vary and the cells usually aren't fully charged.

Above that are the so-called "smart" chargers which use a delta-V charging method that watches for a voltage drop that indicates the end of charging. These chargers are usually not "cheap" but are not too expensive, charge quickly and are pretty good for keeping batteries alive for a while. These charge batteries at varying speeds - the fastest ones are the hardest on the battery life. They can be as short as 90 minutes... less than that becomes very hard on the batteries due to outgassing and eletrolyte breakdown.

Next are the cycling smart chargers - these discharge the battery completely before starting the charging cycle. There is no "memory effect" with NiMH cells, but cycling them does seem to help make them last longer and store a larger charge. These cycle (drain and then refill) a battery in about 3 hours.

Then there's the delta-T chargers - these use a rapid temperature rise to determine the state of charge. They usually need special batteries, charge extremely quickly, and usually cost a lot. They are not too hard on battery life, but can be fooled by temperature variations and have been replaced by delta-P chargers mentioned below. They can completely charge a depleted cell in less than 30 minutes.

The most expensive kind of NiMH charger nowadays is the delta-pressure variety. They watch for the beginning of the hydrogen-generation stage of charge in order to terminate the charge. All NiMH batteries vent gasses when overcharged, these chargers sense this and cut-off charging. These charge extremely quickly (like 15 minutes or less), require special cells, and are usually pretty expensive. Since they are very precise, they are the best type of chargers for long battery life and they are very good at charging cells completely since they shut off right at the peak charge without overcharging at all. The best known brand of delta-P charger is the Rayovac I-C3 charger/battery ( http://www.rayovac.com/technical/wp_ic3.htm ). As mentioned, with both delta-T and delta-P chargers, the cells need to be special cells that are matched to the chargers. You can't buy a delta-P charger and use regular NiMH cells - the charger will ignore other types of NiMH cells.


The great NiMH battery shoot-out:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
 

reicherb

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pm, could you recommend some specific models for a first rechargeable battery purchase? There are so many options.... I'll be using AA and AAA batteries in digital cameras, remote controls, a wireless keyboard, label maker, etc. I would also use C and D batteries in flash lights unless it's not recommended.

Is the Delta-V system charger a good charger to go with? Where is best value?

Thanks.
 

pm

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The best value is to buy a smart charger and cells that are not branded from some place like all-battery or batteryspace.com.

Something like this:
http://www.batteryspace.com/in...ion=VIEWPROD&ProdID=57

For what you get for what you pay, this is the best value... but the cells do not usually meet their ratings in my experience. For example, Batteryspace sells "Powerizer" cells. It's been my observation that they are usually mislabelled by about +15%. So a 1800mAh cell really holds more like 1500mAh. You can see this in the review as well: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM The Powerizer 1800mAh at 1555mAh. I've bought a fair number of cells from Batteryspace, and they've been cheap, but they don't meet their rated capacity. Still, for what you get for what you pay... they are the best value... even if the cells are 15% lower than marked.

NiMH cells work fine in flashlights - on the larger halogen flashlights they often last longer than alkaline batteries.

If you want branded batteries, then I recommend Sanyo Eneloop and Energizer brands. Sanyo's are low self-discharge - which means that you don't need to worry about them gradually going dead on you even when you don't use the device. With regular NiMH cells, you can expect them to be needing another round in the charger about every 6 months.. even if you never use the device. Low self-discharge cells don't hold as much as regular NiMH and often cost more.

So if you plan on using the cells a lot, save the money and get the regular ones. If you want them for flashlights for emergencies, get the low self-discharge ones.

For a name-brand charger, this one is good:
http://thomasdistributing.com/...-price-8797-p-517.html

When you look at the prices for the name brand stuff, the cheap no-name stuff at all-battery and batteryspace.com don't look so bad. Once you get over the mismarking stuff, you are paying about 50% less for 15% less capacity... not too bad in my mind.

I personally use a fairly high-end radio control airplane charger (I got into the whole battery thing flying electric model airplanes) and then custom-made battery stations. The charger that I use monitors current going into the battery and can drain and charge for multiple cycles and keeps a history (http://www.towerhobbies.com/pr...tplanes/gpmm3153.html) so I can track what the battery really holds versus what it says it holds. Batteryspace batteries work well enough... but the Energizers that I bought work much better... for a higher price.
 

jpeyton

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Hard to beat the price and quality of the Costco Sanyo Eneloop bundle for $20.

Sanyo arguably makes the best quality rechargeable batteries on the market.

Costco bundle includes 8xAA, 4xAAA, 2xC-cell adapter, 2xD-cell adapter, travel charger, and carrying case.
 

pm

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Wow. That is a great deal. And, yeah, I agree. Sanyo Eneloop's are the best brand that I know of.
 

reicherb

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I don't see the Sanyo bundle on the Costco website and I'm not a member (you have to be right?) Any thoughts on the Ansmann charger above?

Thanks.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: reicherb
I don't see the Sanyo bundle on the Costco website and I'm not a member (you have to be right?) Any thoughts on the Ansmann charger above?

Thanks.

That charger looks to be a little overkill, unless you need the 9v battery charging. If your not a costco member, I would look into this set. I got it for christmas and it works great. The BC900 charger even refreshed many batteries that were beyond dead!