Need Q6600 fan recommendations.

[mrfatboy]

I will be getting a q6600 in july paired with a P35 board. I will be doing light overclock. Will the stock fan be enough? If not, what aftermarket fan should I get. Also, does the q6600 come with its own thermal paste or should I get something like Arctic 5?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy
I will be getting a q6600 in july paired with a P35 board. I will be doing light overclock. Will the stock fan be enough? If not, what aftermarket fan should I get. Also, does the q6600 come with its own thermal paste or should I get something like Arctic 5?

No the stock wont cut it. This is the reason why the new QX6800 is vendor only. And no your chip does not put out more then a QX6800 does when overclocked.

1. light overclock can be done with a tuniq tower. This all depends on your ambients, and how well of an airflow you get. Serveral people have gotten 3.3ghz on air, but they build the system OUTSIDE the box. So the heatsink gets plenty of air sucking in from the otuside. <this will not apply to 90% of the people here, because everyone buys a case>

2. You need to revaluate your overclocking on a quad. There not as easy as a C2D. Infact, theres a ton of varabiles more then a C2D. The reason is because overclocking on a quad is more dependant on the FSB communication device used to talk to both cores.

3. you did know a quad is 2 C2D stamped on 1 pcb plate right? so that means almost 2x the heat when fully loaded.

4. If you have no idea on how to professionally overclock a intel processor, and i mean, if you have errors, you know where your walls are and where your running into a bottleneck. Then DONT GET A QUAD. 75% of the members here LOVE shooting there mouth about them when they dont have them.

I dont want you to find out the hardway about quads. Research a lot into them b4 you go off buying them. And listen to the ones who actually got a quad.

: a few people i found very reliable about quads :

Lopri, <--- someone i even listen to about quads
Yoxxy, <---- could have the fastest yet but i dont think he pushes it tho.
idontknow <--- has the fastest quad on this forum to date.

I have 2 quads, with a third coming in next week.

I do however have the coolest moderate clocked quad on non sub ambient cooling. This means, no one can touch my load temps except people like idontknow whose on phase.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/NewTemps.jpg

My cooling required for such:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0721.jpg



I need to copy and paste this on a template. I feel like im typing this almost every day now. :\

 

[stevty2889]

He's correct, stock deffinatly won't cut it. I'm using water with mine, at 3.1ghz 1.45v, with a tripple radiator setup, I run in the upper 60's core temp with 4xfolding@home, and break in to the 70's with orthos. I was originaly using a Scythe Ninja, but temps were reaching the upper 80's, so with a good heatsink like the Tuniq tower, or thermalright ultra-120 extreme 2.8-3ghz should be do-able as long as you don't have high ambient temps.

 

[mrfatboy]

I am building a system that will hopefully last me several years. I was going to get a e6600 but when I saw the price cuts in July I thought why not a Q6600. I'm just gaming, internet, email, sketchup, word, excel, dvd burning, etc. I want emphasis on reliability and will only tinker with overclocking until I feel it's not worth it. My system will be running 24/7.

Thanks for the comments. That is great info. I certainly don't want to deal with a water cooled sytem. I'm not that extreme.

Would it be better to get an Q6600 and not overclock then an E6600 with a mild overclock? Again, realiability and future proofness would be key.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy
I am building a system that will hopefully last me several years. I was going to get a e6600 but when I saw the price cuts in July I thought why not a Q6600. I'm just gaming, internet, email, sketchup, word, excel, dvd burning, etc. I want emphasis on reliability and will only tinker with overclocking until I feel it's not worth it. My system will be running 24/7.

Thanks for the comments. That is great info. I certainly don't want to deal with a water cooled sytem. I'm not that extreme.

Would it be better to get an Q6600 and not overclock then an E6600 with a mild overclock? Again, realiability and future proofness would be key.

chances are by the time you notice 4 core's having an advantage over dual cores, like how dual cores are now. There will be MUCH better quadcores, and octocores available.

So if you dont require it now, like steve and i do. I WCG 24/7, and it uses all 4 cores.

I would pick a higher clocked dual core over a lower clocked quadcore.

 

[cbuchach]

Still I would look at the Anandtech heatsinck comparison. The Thermalright Ultra 120 or improved Ultra 120 should be your best bet. I have the original Ulta 120 and it cools my E6600 at 3500 very well. The Quad will run hotter but still reasonable.

 

[Capt Caveman]

This is funny - "4. If you have no idea on how to professionally overclock a intel processor"

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
idontknow <--- has the fastest quad on this forum to date.

No, no, no; Yoxxy ran his QX6700 @ >4 Ghz for quite awhile. If I remember correctly, at that time, he was running his QX6700 @ 4.2 Ghz, and his X6800 @ 4.4 Ghz. He's since dropped them down to more reasonable levels. Everything else you said was right on the money, though, except for the "professionally overclock".

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: aigomorla
idontknow <--- has the fastest quad on this forum to date.

No, no, no; Yoxxy ran his QX6700 @ >4 Ghz for quite awhile. If I remember correctly, at that time, he was running his QX6700 @ 4.2 Ghz, and his X6800 @ 4.4 Ghz. He's since dropped them down to more reasonable levels. Everything else you said was right on the money, though, except for the "professionally overclock".

blah... yeah i know yoxxy was running them that fast. but i think he throttled them down no?

and i dont know what else to say about the professional part. ummm.. maybe expert? I was more trying to cut the 75% who dont know jack about quadcores, from imputing wrong info to this guy.

Originally posted by: cbuchach
Still I would look at the Anandtech heatsinck comparison. The Thermalright Ultra 120 or improved Ultra 120 should be your best bet. I have the original Ulta 120 and it cools my E6600 at 3500 very well. The Quad will run hotter but still reasonable.

A quad @ 3.5ghz and reasonable temperatures dont belong in the same sentence. So once again, if you dont have a quad, please dont contribute. And @ load, i will say this again, a QUAD will generate almost x2 HEAT. So cut your heat sink in half, and you got your heatsink coolign a quad.

 

[adairusmc]

I was wondering sort of the same thing myself. I want to upgrade my E6600 to a Q6600 after the price cut, and I was just wondering if a Zalman CNPS9500 would cut it for stock voltages and no overclocking? I have one of those already set up on my E6600, and was just curious if I could get away with using it without having to remove the motherboard and removing the bracket.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
blah... yeah i know yoxxy was running them that fast. but i think he throttled them down no?

Yeah, he clocked them both back. IIRC, he actually burned out the phase change unit he had on the QX6700, trying to keep it cool; I have a bad memory, though, so don't take my word for why he clocked them both back.

and i dont know what else to say about the professional part. ummm.. maybe expert? I was more trying to cut the 75% who dont know jack about quadcores, from imputing wrong info to this guy.

I'm pretty sure that most of us understood what you meant. It was still funny, though. And you're correct, "expert" is the proper word, in that scenario.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
I was wondering sort of the same thing myself. I want to upgrade my E6600 to a Q6600 after the price cut, and I was just wondering if a Zalman CNPS9500 would cut it for stock voltages and no overclocking? I have one of those already set up on my E6600, and was just curious if I could get away with using it without having to remove the motherboard and removing the bracket.

with no overclocking sure.

U wont get super temps tho. But it will work.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: adairusmc
I was wondering sort of the same thing myself. I want to upgrade my E6600 to a Q6600 after the price cut, and I was just wondering if a Zalman CNPS9500 would cut it for stock voltages and no overclocking? I have one of those already set up on my E6600, and was just curious if I could get away with using it without having to remove the motherboard and removing the bracket.

with no overclocking sure.

U wont get super temps tho. But it will work.

Thanks, good to know.

 

[OMFGAU]

Oh man, this thread has just ruined all my Quad-core dreams

I'm in the planing phase for building a new PC and I was just about settled on the base hardware spec:

Silverstone CW01 HTPC Case
Intel 975BX2 "Bad Axe 2"
Q6600 w/Zalman CNPS 9500 cooler

I understood that to effectively overclock a quad on air I'd really need a Tuniq Tower or Thermalright Ultra-120, but the CW01 doesn't have enough room to fit either.

The CNPS9500 is a good fit inside this case - and I've seen many people use them before (although admittedly not with a quad).


I was really banking that the 9500 would be sufficient to OC the Q6600 up to 3.2ghz for regular usage. (Unless someone knows another SFF-friendly cooler up to the job)


Am in correct in thinking a common mistake people (myself included) make with a Q6600 is to assume that it runs ~20% hotter than a E6600, when in reality it runs more like 95% hotter?

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
I want to upgrade my E6600 to a Q6600 after the price cut, and I was just wondering if a Zalman CNPS9500 would cut it for stock voltages and no overclocking?

While the 9500 isn't the best heatsink around, it will still be drastically better than the stock heatsink would be, so you'll be fine with it at stock speeds.

The CNPS9500 is a good fit inside this case - and I've seen many people use them before (although admittedly not with a quad).

I was really banking that the 9500 would be sufficient to OC the Q6600 up to 3.2ghz for regular usage. (Unless someone knows another SFF-friendly cooler up to the job)

The Zalman 9700 cools considerably better than the 9500, and it will fit anywhere that a 9500 will fit. You still won't be able to run a quad @ 3.2 Ghz with it, though. 2.8-3.0 should be alright, I would think, as long as you aren't anal about temps, like I am.:laugh:

edit: This heatsink would keep it cooler, of course, since it's a heatpipe, plus a TEC: Vigor Gaming TEC heatpipe. Of course, it's as tall as all of the really good heatpipes, so it probably wouldn't fit into your case.

 

[jpeyton]

CoolerMaster GeminII with a pair of San Ace 120s.

That should be good to hit 3.6GHz on air.

Just remember to buy some ear plugs.

 

[Tuvoc]

Yes I can confirm that quad-cores are very hard to keep cool

My Arctic Freezer 7 Pro probably keeps my QX6700 about 5C cooler than the retail heatsink. Yet under long term full load it will certainly get to 70C core temp on some of the cores. Currently Core 1 is 75C. I suspect I could run it at 2.9GHz (from 10 to 11 multiplier) and have temps stay safe, but frankly it's fast enough and it runs 24/7 under full load so I stay conservative and run it at it standard 2.66GHz. If you want to overclock these and have the CPU continue to run without throttling, then you need water cooling. I'd also be concerned at the lifespan with temps too much hotter

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: aigomorla
blah... yeah i know yoxxy was running them that fast. but i think he throttled them down no?

Yeah, he clocked them both back. IIRC, he actually burned out the phase change unit he had on the QX6700, trying to keep it cool; I have a bad memory, though, so don't take my word for why he clocked them both back.

and i dont know what else to say about the professional part. ummm.. maybe expert? I was more trying to cut the 75% who dont know jack about quadcores, from imputing wrong info to this guy.

I'm pretty sure that most of us understood what you meant. It was still funny, though. And you're correct, "expert" is the proper word, in that scenario.

Egg-xactly...Yoxxy is the one who turned me onto phase for overclocking my quad...he since clocked his back as you noted.

I've ran mine 24x7 at 3.73GHz fully loaded since Dec timeframe...which is what I think aigomorla means when he says "highest" as in "highest in practical use for something other than suicide runs".

Although I doubt there is anything special about my clocking, but I can say it is rock-stable insofar as it is the cornerstone of my business and gives me zero issues/errors/reboots.

I have clocked it over 4GHz just for giggles and some benches, but it wasn't what I considered safe/stable enough to risk my business over.

3.73GHz is pretty nice, no indication whatsoever that my phase is losing charge, no pin-rot, nothing negative about the whole affair (other than the $$$ it took to get the system pulled together). Which I must say is totally the opposite of my expectations 6 months ago.

AND if I did not have phase-cooling on this chip I can say for fact I personally would not bother trying to clock it over 3GHz on air...I deplore the thought of assisting thermally activated defect mechanisms...electric-field activated mechanisms though are "cool" by me though.

 

[OMFGAU]

From the sounds of things then, I should be fairly safe looking at high 2.xghz OCs.

I've seen elsewhere talk of undervolting this procs to keep the temps down - or are you already taking that in to account?

 

[GFORCE100]

I eagerly await the day when some new air/TEC cooler comes out that makes overclocking these beats to 3.3GHz or higher attainable, I mean when running 4xPrime95. Right now not even Titan's Amanda TEC cooler, regarded as the best air based cooler can keep the QX6700 cool at 3.33GHz for extended periods. Core temps will jump to 92/94C and overall CPU temp to 71C at this speed in a well ventilated modded Coolermaster Wavemaster case (1x 85CFM 120MM intake with wind tunnel to near CPU area (pumps air around DIMM socket area for CPU intake fan), 2x 45CFM 80mm intake and 1x 45CFM outtake fan). All 80mm fans have regulators for a maximum of 3400rpm.

 

[OMFGAU]

I'm going to be playing it by ear a lot, but I'm guessing I'll get an OC of around 2.7 > 2.8 ghz and keep the temps sane by under-volting. The gears will actually arrive in a couple of days, so I'll be sure to let you know.