Need New Router that will run 3rd party firmware

bob4432

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i have been running a Linksys WRT54G V2.x w/ HyperWRT 2.1b1 +tofu13c for many years now. i figured i should pick up a back up in case this one goes out as i want to say it is 3-4yrs old and been running 24/7 on a ups for that long. i have had excellent reliability w/ this setup w/ uptimes of over a year w/ it. i would like to get the same w/ a new unit.

what is the reliable router/firmware combination these days? i have been happy w/ the hyperwrt + tofu solution but looks like support has kind of gone by the way side.

my main needs are:
reliability
port forwarding - 20+ groups would be nice
wpa2
b/g is good for me, don't need "n"

thanks for a recommendation
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
What do you need (beside an urge to waste money) that the current Router with / HyperWRT 2.1b1 +tofu13c.

If you just have to do something, you can Flash with Tomato. or DD-WRT.

Tomato features - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_(firmware)#Features

DD-WRT, http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/ind..._is_DD-WRT%3F#Features

However if you do Not need any new features the HyperWRT 2.1b1 +tofu13c. is very good too.

it is not the urge to waste money, that is something i don't do, but being prepared since my wife needs access to home machines all the time due to her biz - i would rather not have to go buy one from best buy if the current one goes down due to its age. i am a bit surprised this current unit has lasted this long - in the past it seemed i could only get a year or 2 out of them.

if HyperWRT 2.1b1 +tofu13c is still a good candidate, i have no issue going with that as it does everything i need, just that it is a bit old, wasn't sure if something new is out that is just as or more reliable.
 

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How many PC's do you have on your network, what are your requirements? What kind of internet connection do you have? Do you have multiple internet connections? What is your price range?
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
How many PC's do you have on your network, what are your requirements? What kind of internet connection do you have? Do you have multiple internet connections? What is your price range?

local machines = 6-8 (mix of hardwired and wireless connections, about 50/50)
machines connecting in from outside = 3-4

not all machines are in use 24/7, usually 3-5 from in & out running at the same time

internet connection is cable 2/25 or 1/15 Mb/s

price range would be a consumer grade if possible, if necessary i would move up to a commercial grade. i have had excellent luck w/ this current unit and wanted something i could swap it out already configured in case of the current one dies on me, so i would like to get another consumer then change the firmware and if necessary move to commercial if for some reason i start having issues. the 3rd party firmware allows me to do everything i need, it is just its hardware i am a bit worried about.
 

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What exactly do you mean by machines connecting in from outside? And for your cable connection, do you have 2 cable internet connections or were you unsure of your speed and it could be either? How are the machines from the outside connecting in?
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
What exactly do you mean by machines connecting in from outside? And for your cable connection, do you have 2 cable internet connections or were you unsure of your speed and it could be either? How are the machines from the outside connecting in?

they will be connecting in via ts/remote apps on a server2k8 box and if the 1/15 speed isn't satisfactory, then i will move it up to 2/25

also, sometimes incoming connections will be ftp too but not much.

at the moment i have 1 connection, and since you can change the port for ts/remote apps/remote desktop i should be ok as my isp can't close all the incoming ports and force me to get a biz acct w/ them.
 

kevnich2

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I'm just curious if your looking for a dual WAN router. How do you currently handle the dual internet connections for your 25/2 and 15/1 cable connections? For a If you don't mind answering, what type of business do you operate out of your home?

If you need a dual WAN router, I would go with a Cisco/Linksys RV042. If you just need one WAN port, I would recommend either aBuffalo WHR-HP-54G or an Asus WL-500G Premium V2. The Asus has 2x more memory than the Buffalo unit does and thus I think can handle more connections. Both of these will take DDWRT or Tomato firmware.

If your home based business requires constant internet connections, you definitely want to look into redundant, separate ISP accounts as no one internet connection is 100% and can't be expected to be. Though, ISP's are definitely quicker on support for a business internet account than they residential (same or next day compared to several days out)
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
I'm just curious if your looking for a dual WAN router. How do you currently handle the dual internet connections for your 25/2 and 15/1 cable connections? For a If you don't mind answering, what type of business do you operate out of your home?

If you need a dual WAN router, I would go with a Cisco/Linksys RV042. If you just need one WAN port, I would recommend either aBuffalo WHR-HP-54G or an Asus WL-500G Premium V2. The Asus has 2x more memory than the Buffalo unit does and thus I think can handle more connections. Both of these will take DDWRT or Tomato firmware.

If your home based business requires constant internet connections, you definitely want to look into redundant, separate ISP accounts as no one internet connection is 100% and can't be expected to be. Though, ISP's are definitely quicker on support for a business internet account than they residential (same or next day compared to several days out)

after looking at my first post, i mislead accidentally. i currently have a 1/15 setup but could go to 2/25 if i needed to, but at this point i am at 1/15 and am using 1 type of wan connection. i have looked into the dual wan routers and have thought about that idea if wan connection becomes unstable, but in the last 6yrs we have had maybe 3hrs of downtime that i am aware of that was the isp's fault - 1 issue i had was a bad cable modem and that was on me, but they still came out and checked all the connections the next day. i am hoping that i won't need to go dual wan, but that is in the back of my mind. i have contacted my isp and they claimed they do offer better support for their biz accts, but thus far my current turnaround time the 1 time they needed to come out was the next day, and again, it turned out to be my issue. i will probably be picking up another cable modem too, just in case. my main machines and entire network is on a couple decent ups, i have at least 60mins of battery time on the most important machines, and if it goes longer than that, an outage is just going to happen.

i will look into those 2 routers - have you used them personally?

as far as the biz type, my wife does consulting and since she is always on the go i have turned her laptop into kind of a dumb terminal, this way if it gets stolen, there is really no important data on it since it is all on a machine that she has to connect into back at home. will probably be setting her up w/ a netbook after i do a bit of research on them and now since they have matured - better battery life, lighter weight, etc. in her biz, image matters so a "high tech" setup illustrates she has her stuff together to non-computer people (obviously she has her stuff together or she wouldn't be successful, especially in this market, but you get what i am talking about), which are her clients - they have their specialties and she has hers and i do my best on the backend so everything goes smooth for her. i guess it is an image thing, and it works, but most importantly the data is not going to be compromised if the laptop/netbook gets stolen, which is the real reason :). when looking for a netbook for her, i need to take into acct what it looks like, which is something i never do because i am a function over aesthetics person, so i will pick out a netbook that will work or family of them and let her pick out the one that would "look" the best for the complete package.

with everything going how it has been, the ability to have the home office and the office on the go are a nice ability. just wish they made smaller laser copier/printers :), but most stuff she needs i have already made into editable pdfs, so that part is quickly going by the way side.
 

bob4432

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an update:

ended up going w/ an Asus WL-520GU w/ tomato 1.25 and all has been working very nicely. it was nice to just flash the firmware, then copy the current settings from my current router into the asus/tomato setup, turned it all on and everything worked on the first try :). only been up a few days but so far the signal is stronger given the same circumstances as the old one and the tomato software offers quite a bit - may switch the "old" linksys which is now a backup to the asus/tomato if after a month or so there are no issues, or may just leave it as it as i know it works very well. tomato seems very similiar to the hyperwrt + tofu setup so it was a breeze to find everything i needed.

still just running the 1 wan connection and having no issues.
 

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Originally posted by: bob4432
an update:

ended up going w/ an Asus WL-520GU w/ tomato 1.25 and all has been working very nicely. it was nice to just flash the firmware, then copy the current settings from my current router into the asus/tomato setup, turned it all on and everything worked on the first try :). only been up a few days but so far the signal is stronger given the same circumstances as the old one and the tomato software offers quite a bit - may switch the "old" linksys which is now a backup to the asus/tomato if after a month or so there are no issues, or may just leave it as it as i know it works very well. tomato seems very similiar to the hyperwrt + tofu setup so it was a breeze to find everything i needed.

still just running the 1 wan connection and having no issues.

Just so you know, I'm running Tomato 1.23 USB mod (1.25 was somewhat flaky to me - freezes, etc) on both the Asus WL-520GU and a WRT54G V2.0 with ZERO issues. Rock stable on both. The WRT54G was the main router and ran HyperWRT for about 3 to 4 years and I recently switched it to Tomato. Bought the Asus router for $19.99 AR from Newegg and now use the WRT54G as a Wireless AP with the Asus router being the main router.

Link to modded Tomato (USB support and lots more stuff).
 

bob4432

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thanks for the info. was 1.25 an issue because of usb or just overall flaky? i don't need the usb portion but stability is my #1 concern.
 

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Originally posted by: bob4432
thanks for the info. was 1.25 an issue because of usb or just overall flaky? i don't need the usb portion but stability is my #1 concern.

Stability. I'm not using the USB portion either, but this particular mod (of the ones that I've tested) was the most stable (even though some others offered overclocking the cpu of the router). The 1.25 speed was at least the same if not a tad higher (both max out my 10Mbit connection so it didn't matter).

Seemed that there were page freezes that often required a refresh to finish the page. They started (by coincidence) when I first tried the USB mod of 1.25. I then switched to Victek's mod (also 1.25) and had the same. Strangely, 1.23 of Victek acted strange and also had "other" issues (SSH pages didn't load properly when using Putty to connect to the router to surf remotely). So I'm back to the Teddy Bear 1.23 USB mod, it has always been stable and from what I can tell, the page freezes are gone (placebo effect? time will tell).

I'm not the only person that has had issues with 1.25 and went back to a version of 1.23, by the way.
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bob4432
thanks for the info. was 1.25 an issue because of usb or just overall flaky? i don't need the usb portion but stability is my #1 concern.

Stability. I'm not using the USB portion either, but this particular mod (of the ones that I've tested) was the most stable (even though some others offered overclocking the cpu of the router). The 1.25 speed was at least the same if not a tad higher (both max out my 10Mbit connection so it didn't matter).

Seemed that there were page freezes that often required a refresh to finish the page. They started (by coincidence) when I first tried the USB mod of 1.25. I then switched to Victek's mod (also 1.25) and had the same. Strangely, 1.23 of Victek acted strange and also had "other" issues (SSH pages didn't load properly when using Putty to connect to the router to surf remotely). So I'm back to the Teddy Bear 1.23 USB mod, it has always been stable and from what I can tell, the page freezes are gone (placebo effect? time will tell).

I'm not the only person that has had issues with 1.25 and went back to a version of 1.23, by the way.

thanks for the info and i will definitely keep an eye on it. the linksys that it replaced had a max uptime of over a year only to be disconnected because of a necessary move, hopefully this one will follow in its footsteps.

so far the wireless part is working well as i get about 3MB/s from the farthest part of the condo - not a lot of distance but a lot of walls and all that goes along w/ that so the wireless portion is running a bit better than the linksys and i am keeping the asus at a lower transmit power than the linksys.

i have not heard of o/cing the router cpu - at what point is that necessary? my main connection is 15-20Mb/s and i am not bottlenecked at this point w/ the cpu running stock, but interesting nonetheless.

the qos seems to work better w/ this firmware compared to the hyperwrt + tofu out of the box so even when d/l some large items, surfing feels unaffected - they did a good job for an out of the box setup.
 

bob4432

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after a few days, man, something must have gone bad. all internet connections went down and i couldn't even connect via a direct link from the modem. the last few days have been very problematic, so i set it all back to basic setup w/ the exception of port forwarding and still issues. have shut it down and rebooted many times in the past 48hrs - seems i am only getting connectivity for maybe 6hrs max. back to using my old one for the time being and will be downgrading to 1.23...:( thanks for the heads up on that 1.23 version Engineer - it will be on later today.

may also pick up another cable modem - this may be the issue as it is 5yrs old and has been on nearly 24/7 for that time as it is on a battery. i was told the "norm" life expectancy for a cable modem is 18-24mos so if that is the case, i have done good in that area for a cheap consumer level setup. the last few days seems like i have the network gremlins in my setup....hate changing more than 1 item at a time but need the connection - as my luck would have it, this next week is rather important for some stuff i and the wife need access to on home machines when we are out, and of course, as murphy predicts, shit is going wrong.....uuugghhhh
 

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Originally posted by: bob4432
after a few days, man, something must have gone bad. all internet connections went down and i couldn't even connect via a direct link from the modem. the last few days have been very problematic, so i set it all back to basic setup w/ the exception of port forwarding and still issues. have shut it down and rebooted many times in the past 48hrs - seems i am only getting connectivity for maybe 6hrs max. back to using my old one for the time being and will be downgrading to 1.23...:( thanks for the heads up on that 1.23 version Engineer - it will be on later today.

may also pick up another cable modem - this may be the issue as it is 5yrs old and has been on nearly 24/7 for that time as it is on a battery. i was told the "norm" life expectancy for a cable modem is 18-24mos so if that is the case, i have done good in that area for a cheap consumer level setup. the last few days seems like i have the network gremlins in my setup....hate changing more than 1 item at a time but need the connection - as my luck would have it, this next week is rather important for some stuff i and the wife need access to on home machines when we are out, and of course, as murphy predicts, shit is going wrong.....uuugghhhh

Make sure that when you downgrade, you go to the Administration menu, Configuration and then clear all of the NVRAM (thorough). You will have to enter your settings again, but this will solve many issues that would pop up later if you don't do it.
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bob4432
after a few days, man, something must have gone bad. all internet connections went down and i couldn't even connect via a direct link from the modem. the last few days have been very problematic, so i set it all back to basic setup w/ the exception of port forwarding and still issues. have shut it down and rebooted many times in the past 48hrs - seems i am only getting connectivity for maybe 6hrs max. back to using my old one for the time being and will be downgrading to 1.23...:( thanks for the heads up on that 1.23 version Engineer - it will be on later today.

may also pick up another cable modem - this may be the issue as it is 5yrs old and has been on nearly 24/7 for that time as it is on a battery. i was told the "norm" life expectancy for a cable modem is 18-24mos so if that is the case, i have done good in that area for a cheap consumer level setup. the last few days seems like i have the network gremlins in my setup....hate changing more than 1 item at a time but need the connection - as my luck would have it, this next week is rather important for some stuff i and the wife need access to on home machines when we are out, and of course, as murphy predicts, shit is going wrong.....uuugghhhh

Make sure that when you downgrade, you go to the Administration menu, Configuration and then clear all of the NVRAM (thorough). You will have to enter your settings again, but this will solve many issues that would pop up later if you don't do it.

will do, thanks :thumbsup:
 

bob4432

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Engineer - did you notice any difference in stability between the extra, lite, std or no cifs versions? i would like to use the lite since all i really need on this unit is stability and port forwarding - don't need any of the other features but if for some reason that the full version is more stable than the lite version, i will go that route. looking @ v1.23_ND build 25

tia,
bob
 

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Originally posted by: bob4432
Engineer - did you notice any difference in stability between the extra, lite, std or no cifs versions? i would like to use the lite since all i really need on this unit is stability and port forwarding - don't need any of the other features but if for some reason that the full version is more stable than the lite version, i will go that route. looking @ v1.23_ND build 25

tia,
bob

I've only used the standard version. I see no reason, however, that the lite version would have any issues.

Teddy Bear has worked on this for quite some time (and I've followed that thread for months). He/she is very good at programming Tomato (Linux). I'm amazed at what those (coders) do and the features/stability that they produce.
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bob4432
Engineer - did you notice any difference in stability between the extra, lite, std or no cifs versions? i would like to use the lite since all i really need on this unit is stability and port forwarding - don't need any of the other features but if for some reason that the full version is more stable than the lite version, i will go that route. looking @ v1.23_ND build 25

tia,
bob

I've only used the standard version. I see no reason, however, that the lite version would have any issues.

Teddy Bear has worked on this for quite some time (and I've followed that thread for months). He/she is very good at programming Tomato (Linux). I'm amazed at what those (coders) do and the features/stability that they produce.

thanks for the response, i will go the std version since you have had good luck w/ it. i read over on that thread, but not all 100+ pages of it :shocked:. currently have my old one linksys back up and picked up a new cable modem, think i was having issues w/ it too as i was dropping off the lan sometimes and other times on the lan but no wan...what are the odds??? testing it out d/l some linux torrents to get a lot of connections through the stuff and see how if the new cable modem has an issue - surprisingly my speedtests did improve about 100% w/ the new cable modem, so who knows, maybe it was cutting in and out too.

don't you just love it when you try to get some stuff for redundancy and then the main stuff fails at the same time screwing it all up? sleepless nights testing, hoping all goes well these next couple of days or off to lugging around a whole server setup to the remote location :eek: :(
 

bob4432

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thx again for the suggestion on 1.23 std - finally got some time to put it up and so far a uptime of 11days - much, much better than 1.25 :)
 

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Originally posted by: bob4432
thx again for the suggestion on 1.23 std - finally got some time to put it up and so far a uptime of 11days - much, much better than 1.25 :)

Great! :D

I've noticed that Teddy Bear has released an experimental version of Tomato with a much newer Linux Kernal. Stated that he was having issues porting modules back to the older kernal and finally recompiled using a much newer kernal. Didn't go with the latest as the chipset drivers aren't available. I might try it out soon.

Also, Jon has released a Beta version of 1.26 Tomato. Haven't tried it either but have followed the progression for a little while now.

Will update you (if you wish) if I find a stable version that is newer than 1.23! :)

(or, as they say, if it ain't broke...dont' fix it).
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bob4432
thx again for the suggestion on 1.23 std - finally got some time to put it up and so far a uptime of 11days - much, much better than 1.25 :)

Great! :D

I've noticed that Teddy Bear has released an experimental version of Tomato with a much newer Linux Kernal. Stated that he was having issues porting modules back to the older kernal and finally recompiled using a much newer kernal. Didn't go with the latest as the chipset drivers aren't available. I might try it out soon.

Also, Jon has released a Beta version of 1.26 Tomato. Haven't tried it either but have followed the progression for a little while now.

Will update you (if you wish) if I find a stable version that is newer than 1.23! :)

(or, as they say, if it ain't broke...dont' fix it).

sounds good, would like to hear the progress. this one being so stable i really like and since this is a home setup, it is semi production becuase of needed access when away, so definiately need reliability. between this current one and the linksys, i am pretty good for now and will probably pick up another when i find one cheap :)

which hardware have you been having the best luck w/ for reliability and compatability? is it the linksys and asus ones? how about buffalo?

tia for all the assistance,
bob