Need MB with ISA slot!!

kmmatney

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I need a MB that can take a relatively new processor (2.0 GHz) and has an ISA slot. The only MB I can find is the BioStar M7VKQ.

Does anyone else know if any others I can purchase? I also can't find anyone that sells a Palomino XP 2100.

Any help would be appreciated!
 

Jeff7

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Might I ask what you need an ISA slot for?

ISA has been almost completely phased out of new equipment as far as I know, except for a few specialty boards, one of which you've found.
 

kmmatney

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I need an ISA slot for a $2500 motor control card. We now use PCI motor control cards, but a lot of our customers still have the old ISA boards. No sense spending $2500 when you don't have to.

Thanks for the replies, and keep em comin!

That P4 board is sweet!! I never though I'd see a P4 board with ISA!
 

Jeff7

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Supermicro makes good stable boards too. They don't really have any tweaks in the BIOS for enthusiasts, as Supermicro's specialty seems to be server motherboards.
 

kmmatney

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It doesn't matter whether its AMD or Intel - I'd like to have both options open. SO far the Soyo board looks best for our application. Hyperthreading support is a great bonus. I found a website that sells the board for $170 - not bad.
 

KF

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Originally posted by: mosco
How Fast are ISA Slots? or should i ask how slow they are?


If I recall:

8MHz with a 16 bit bus, although there are also 8 bit ISA slots. The original IBM PC, from which what we now consider a standard PC has evolved, used 8 bit slots. Actually the 16 bit ISA was an extension of the 8 bit oriiginal that added a second connector in line with the old 8 bit connector, so 16 bit ISA can also take 8 bit cards. IBM revised its PC a couple of times, maintaining compatibility, so vendors went along with the XT and AT. The AT had a 16 bit bus. (The AT style case and mobo got revised into ATX much later.) For quite a while after everthing else converted to PCI, the usual modem card used the ISA 8 bit bus simply to implement a port which behaved like a serial interface chip. Quite a few mobos had a single ISA slot during that time (like my ABIT KT7.) Then PCI slot modems were devised that did without much of the electronics of complete modems, and PCI winmodems took over. (There were ISA winmodems before, but PCI winmodems knocked still more off the price.)

ISA = Industry Standard Architecture. This terminology came about when IBM decided to take its next bus revision private: besides not being able to fit old style cards into it, you were going to have to pay royalties to make cards that used it, if in fact IBM gave you permission. (I forget what IBM called ithe bus, but the new style computer was the PS/2.) With royalties, vendors would be at a cost disadvantage compared to IBM. So vendors organized, and devised something called the VESA local bus, which added yet another connector in line (whereupon the former bus became ISA.) There was now a line of connectors all the way from one side of the mobo to other. For a while, this was the standard advanced bus. But Intel had designed the bus of its yet-to-be Pentium CPU so that it could accomodate card slots in a simplified manner. When the Pentium appeared, motherboards using it generally had some PCI slots (really Pentium bus) rather than VESA. Despite its simplicity, PCI caught on slowly because Pentiums cost over $1000 and mobos which could use the 60MHz broiler to its capability weren't far behind. Pentium was the biggest stretch for Intel that it ever attempted (besides Itanium?) In comparison $100 100MHz AMD 486 clones bested 60MHz Pentia on the then accepted benchmarks. Eventually the Pentium line included some reasonably priced CPUs (by the standards of olden days), even AMD and the former Cyrix were making Pentium clones (the K6 and 6x86), and the cost advantage of directly using the Pentium bus (PCI) over VESA took hold.


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DieHardware

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Originally posted by: KF
Originally posted by: mosco
How Fast are ISA Slots? or should i ask how slow they are?


If I recall:

8MHz with a 16 bit bus, although there are also 8 bit ISA slots. The original IBM PC, from which what we now consider a standard PC has evolved, used 8 bit slots. Actually the 16 bit ISA was an extension of the 8 bit oriiginal that added a second connector in line with the old 8 bit connector, so 16 bit ISA can also take 8 bit cards. IBM revised its PC a couple of times, maintaining compatibility, so vendors went along with the XT and AT. The AT had a 16 bit bus. (The AT style case and mobo got revised into ATX much later.) For quite a while after everthing else converted to PCI, the usual modem card used the ISA 8 bit bus simply to implement a port which behaved like a serial interface chip. Quite a few mobos had a single ISA slot during that time (like my ABIT KT7.) Then PCI slot modems were devised that did without much of the electronics of complete modems, and PCI winmodems took over. (There were ISA winmodems before, but PCI winmodems knocked still more off the price.)

ISA = Industry Standard Architecture. This terminology came about when IBM decided to take its next bus revision private: besides not being able to fit old style cards into it, you were going to have to pay royalties to make cards that used it, if in fact IBM gave you permission. (I forget what IBM called ithe bus, but the new style computer was the PS/2.) With royalties, vendors would be at a cost disadvantage compared to IBM. So vendors organized, and devised something called the VESA local bus, which added yet another connector in line (whereupon the former bus became ISA.) There was now a line of connectors all the way from one side of the mobo to other. For a while, this was the standard advanced bus. But Intel had designed the bus of its yet-to-be Pentium CPU so that it could accomodate card slots in a simplified manner. When the Pentium appeared, motherboards using it generally had some PCI slots (really Pentium bus) rather than VESA. Despite its simplicity, PCI caught on slowly because Pentiums cost over $1000 and mobos which could use the 60MHz broiler to its capability weren't far behind. Pentium was the biggest stretch for Intel that it ever attempted (besides Itanium?) In comparison $100 100MHz AMD 486 clones bested 60MHz Pentia on the then accepted benchmarks. Eventually the Pentium line included some reasonably priced CPUs (by the standards of olden days), even AMD and the former Cyrix were making Pentium clones (the K6 and 6x86), and the cost advantage of directly using the Pentium bus (PCI) over VESA took hold.


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KF quite being so vague










;) Best bump I've read in a while.:D
 

blackhawk

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For dialup, an isa slot is all I need for my usr hw modems. They are getting rare though.
 

birddog

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check the referb section at newegg. They have a Abit KT7A Raid for $39. This is a KT133a chipset with should take XP's up to 2200+.
 

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Originally posted by: KF

ISA = Industry Standard Architecture. This terminology came about when IBM decided to take its next bus revision private: besides not being able to fit old style cards into it, you were going to have to pay royalties to make cards that used it, if in fact IBM gave you permission. (I forget what IBM called ithe bus, but the new style computer was the PS/2.)


IBM called it the Microchannel bus. It premiered on the PS/2 systems around 1984. Anyone remember the ads with the Charlie Chaplin clone? Probably not. Charlie couldn't convince people to adopt the proprietary bus, not when Mike Dell was selling cheap 286s under the brand name PC's Limited. Oh if only I had bought $600 worth of his stock instead of blowing it on a 32 megabyte Seagate drive! ;)
 

KF

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Originally posted by: DieHardware
Originally posted by: KF
Originally posted by: mosco
How Fast are ISA Slots? or should i ask how slow they are?


If I recall:

8MHz with a 16 bit bus, although there are also 8 bit ISA slots. The original IBM PC, from which what we now consider a standard PC has evolved, used 8 bit slots. Actually the 16 bit ISA was an extension of the 8 bit oriiginal that added a second connector in line with the old 8 bit connector, so 16 bit ISA can also take 8 bit cards. IBM revised its PC a couple of times, maintaining compatibility, so vendors went along with the XT and AT. The AT had a 16 bit bus. (The AT style case and mobo got revised into ATX much later.) For quite a while after everthing else converted to PCI, the usual modem card used the ISA 8 bit bus simply to implement a port which behaved like a serial interface chip. Quite a few mobos had a single ISA slot during that time (like my ABIT KT7.) Then PCI slot modems were devised that did without much of the electronics of complete modems, and PCI winmodems took over. (There were ISA winmodems before, but PCI winmodems knocked still more off the price.)

ISA = Industry Standard Architecture. This terminology came about when IBM decided to take its next bus revision private: besides not being able to fit old style cards into it, you were going to have to pay royalties to make cards that used it, if in fact IBM gave you permission. (I forget what IBM called ithe bus, but the new style computer was the PS/2.) With royalties, vendors would be at a cost disadvantage compared to IBM. So vendors organized, and devised something called the VESA local bus, which added yet another connector in line (whereupon the former bus became ISA.) There was now a line of connectors all the way from one side of the mobo to other. For a while, this was the standard advanced bus. But Intel had designed the bus of its yet-to-be Pentium CPU so that it could accomodate card slots in a simplified manner. When the Pentium appeared, motherboards using it generally had some PCI slots (really Pentium bus) rather than VESA. Despite its simplicity, PCI caught on slowly because Pentiums cost over $1000 and mobos which could use the 60MHz broiler to its capability weren't far behind. Pentium was the biggest stretch for Intel that it ever attempted (besides Itanium?) In comparison $100 100MHz AMD 486 clones bested 60MHz Pentia on the then accepted benchmarks. Eventually the Pentium line included some reasonably priced CPUs (by the standards of olden days), even AMD and the former Cyrix were making Pentium clones (the K6 and 6x86), and the cost advantage of directly using the Pentium bus (PCI) over VESA took hold.


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KF quite being so vague










;) Best bump I've read in a while.:D

Chapter 2 was were things really got interesting. :) I'll find some way to work it into another thread.

I'll just mention that I went to an Intel promo for the Pentium at the time the price had come down slightly, and they gave away nice INTEL keychains, which I still use. It says Intel Pentium on one side, and on the other has a real, bare Pentium chip ebedded in plastic. This is something people joke about -turning dead chips into keychains, that is- but Intel really did.

 

edavid

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I am looking for a Socket A MB with DDR RAM and an ISA slot. The only one I have found is the BioStar M7MIA, which doesn't support Athlon XPs. Are there any others? Is it just that there is no chipset that supports this?

Thanks...
 

pspada

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Nope, it's just that most current designs don't bother to include an ISA slot, since there are no real ISA boards being produced. I'd say the last one I saw with ISA had to be at least a year ago, perhaps more.
 

lycurgus

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Originally posted by: kmmatney
I need an ISA slot for a $2500 motor control card. We now use PCI motor control cards, but a lot of our customers still have the old ISA boards. No sense spending $2500 when you don't have to.

Thanks for the replies, and keep em comin!

That P4 board is sweet!! I never though I'd see a P4 board with ISA!

At least you have a legit reason for wanting / needing an ISA slot. I amazed by how many people want to hand onto some old modem or other card that would be a lot easier just to replace. But I can understand not wanting to replace a $2500 card.