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markgm

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Edit: You read it faster than I could reply :)

Originally posted by: nweaver

SNELL ratings are more stringent then DOT...

If it's SNELL rated, it's DOT approved. Why would you avoid SNELL Rated, as it's the only other thing besides DOT, and DOT is pretty much "is it round?"

Yes, in the US if it's SNELL rated it's DOT approved. All helmets sold in the US for highway use have to be DOT approved. There are many other certifications. Europe has much better standards than we do.

If you read the link I posted you'll see why. SNELL isn't more stringent in a good way.
It's like having a standard for bandaid stickiness. If the adhesive is made out of crazy glue then it must be better than other bandaids on the market since it'll stick better, right? I think of it like crumple zones in a car. You're safer off with a crumple zone than the solid designs of old.



Here's are some quotes from the article:

What the Snell advocates won't tell you is that when these same makers sell their helmets in Europe, Japan and the U.K., they are not the same helmets they sell here, and they're not Snell rated. They are built softer, tailored to conform to exactly the same ECE or BSI standards as the European makers.



The killer?the hardest Snell test for a motorcycle helmet to meet?is a two-strike test onto a hemispherical chunk of stainless steel about the size of an orange. The first hit is at an energy of 150 joules, which translates to dropping a 5-kilo weight about 10 feet?an extremely high-energy impact. The next hit, on the same spot, is set at 110 joules, or about an 8-foot drop. To pass, the helmet is not allowed to transmit more than 300 Gs to the headform in either hit.

Tough tests such as this have driven helmet development over the years. But do they have any practical application on the street, where a hit as hard as the hardest single Snell impact may only happen in 1 percent of actual accidents? And where an impact as severe as the two-drop hemi test happens just short of never?

Dr. Jim Newman, an actual rocket scientist and highly respected head-impact expert?he was once a Snell Foundation director?puts it this way: "If you want to create a realistic helmet standard, you don't go bashing helmets onto hemispherical steel balls. And you certainly don't do it twice.

"Over the last 30 years," continues Newman, "we've come to the realization that people falling off motorcycles hardly ever, ever hit their head in the same place twice. So we have helmets that are designed to withstand two hits at the same site. But in doing so, we have severely, severely compromised their ability to take one hit and absorb energy properly.

"The consequence is, when you have one hit at one site in an accident situation, two things happen: One, you don't fully utilize the energy-absorbing material that's available. And two, you generate higher G loading on the head than you need to. "What's happened to Snell over the years is that in order to make what's perceived as a better helmet, they kept raising the impact energy. What they should have been doing, in my view, is lowering the allowable G force.

"In my opinion, Snell should keep a 10-foot drop [in its testing]. But tell the manufacturers, 'OK, 300 Gs is not going to cut it anymore. Next year you're going to have to get down to 250. And the next year, 200. And the year after that, 185.'"



The COST 327 results showed that some very serious and potentially fatal head injuries can occur at impact levels that stiffer current helmet standards?such as Snell M2000 and M2005?allow helmets to exceed.

And remember, these guys are investigating crashes in Europe, where Snell-rated helmets are a rarity because they can't generally pass the softer ECE standard required there.
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Actually two separate questions, but I'm lazy, so one thread.


I just bought my first motorcycle, a 1974 Honda cb550f, I'm cleaning it up some, getting the wiring straigtened out and getting new tires on it. I'm signing up for a msf course. I need to get my gear together, boots, helmet, jacket and pants. What is the best way to go about buying this stuff? I don't think there are any local stores, there used ot be an easyriders but it's closed. There is a Harley shop nearby that I can make it to, but that sounds expensive already. I'm looking for leather engineer boots, a full helmet, clothing I could go for a leather jacket but I'm not digging leather pants so I need to find out my options there.

Where can I go to find good cheap gear? Any good sites?


I'm bartending tommorrow night, and I've only done it once before. My first time was at a theme event and we served a bourbon bar only. This time the bar is going to be almost fully stocked at an outdoor hoity-toity event. I'm going to be stationed with an experienced bartender but I'm trying to get myself ready. I'm digging up old bar guides and trying to memorize recipes. What all should I get comfortable with(martini, cosmo, etc) ? Anyone know of a good online reference?(other than reading every recipe on webtender) I figure I need to focus on the main drinks I'm going to run into and not on trying to memorized 5000 fuzy wuzzy sex on the nose drink recipies. Those people are just going to have to tell me how to make em.

For the bar stuff, keep the book handy and don't worry about learning every drink. Just figure out how to find the drink recipe quickly. You probably won't have a bunch of strange orders anyway unless it's a fairly young crowd. As for martinis, just a few drops of vermouth is all you need. If someone asks for a dry martini just serve them gin or vodka up with an olive. Whatever you do, don't ever put olive juice in a martini unless someone specifically orders a dirty martini.


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Yea I think I plan on getting some basics down, there will be a theme drink of the night that we will be getting training on as well. It costs over a grand to get into the party and the bar is open but I'm still hoping to be able to keep up with the crowd enough to get decent tips. crossing my fingers that 90% of the orders are beer, wine or something and coke.
 

Turin39789

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yikes these helmets get pricey. I'll be luck if I get out spending how much the bike cost on all the protective gear. I'm guessing there aren't any AT style shootouts of protective gear out that there are clear, informative and unbiased? I'm looking for a basic white or black full face helmet, as safe as I can get for cheap.
 

markgm

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
yikes these helmets get pricey. I'll be luck if I get out spending how much the bike cost on all the protective gear. I'm guessing there aren't any AT style shootouts of protective gear out that there are clear, informative and unbiased? I'm looking for a basic white or black full face helmet, as safe as I can get for cheap.

Your best bet is to find a motorcycle forum and read what other people use. I'll look online to see what I can find that is within my budget, and then see how people rate it.

No company that I know of buys riding gear and then tries to figure out how it would hold up in a crash. I like the Joe Rocket Alter Ego gear. It converts from winter gear to summer gear and isn't too expensive. You'll never get a straight answer on gear, it's like an Intel/AMD debate. Leather is more expensive but should hold up better. Textile requires less care and for me was easier to find in tall sizes. Be careful of an all black helmet if you ride in hot or sunny areas.

You can get a good helmet for under $200, the article I linked had a few listed.

I'd suggest you always wear earplugs too if you think you'll like being able to hear things later on in life. The wind noise is deafening over time. You can pick them up on ebay in bulk.
 

Turin39789

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Update* -



LIQOUR -

Bartending help turned out not to be needed. I got stuck in the crappiest bar of the party, a bourbon only(my drink of choice, but it was just woodford and nothing else) in the corner of a tent.

I did get to hear Jimmy Fallon sing his heart out and see him, peyton manning, kid rock and a few others. I was really hoping to see Sophia Loren, but I was mostly stuck in my crappy little hole in the wall bar. No fraternizing allowed.


MOTORCYCLES-

This think is confounding me. I have the old fairing removed, I have the headlight wired up. I still need to get the brake lights wired up, and the front brake unstuck(was ridden by PO last september but parked after laying down.) The brake was working but on the day I went to pick it up he rode it into the front yard and the brake clamped down and wouldn't release. I'm fairly confident that I can get these sorted out, but the bike is starting to stammer some when starting, starting then dying, and the right bank of cylinders sounds much smoother than the left. My question is where do you take an old 74 honda for a checkup, if I decide that I can do no more and want to take it in and give a pro my wallet?




 

Turin39789

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ugh, the bike is doing it again tonight, doesn't want to start, then wants to leap and sit at 3000 rpms, then stumbles a bit after I force it back down