Need help with lingerie / glamour advertisement shot

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I told a friend of mine that I can shoot her couture bra line on a model. The model will be a friend of a friend who has done a few other semi-pro lingerie shoots before for advertisements.

I have a D90, SB-600 speedlight, 11-16mm 2.8, 18-55mm 5.6, 55-200mm 5.6 VR, and 50mm 1.8 prime.

I also have a tripod.

I have never done this before.

How do I do it? I don't even know where to do it? Against a white wall? In a bed?

Maybe I am in over my head, but I will say that my friend/client took her last photos with a point and shoot camera before and was happy with them, so the expectations on her part seem pretty low.

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Look through ads and catalogs for ideas. How couture are we talking? Like VS or La Perla?
 
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Very couture, like they are hand made and sell for $$$$. But I really need technical advice, like, what sort of lighting, will my SB-600 be even close to enough, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Very couture, like they are hand made and sell for $$$$. But I really need technical advice, like, what sort of lighting, will my SB-600 be even close to enough, etc.

Unless you're shooting outside, it probably won't.

Check out the equipment and learning sections of http://www.photo.net/

particularly: http://photo.net/learn/studiolighting/

Proper lighting technique is one of the biggest elements that differentiate a "good" photograph from one that looks amateur-ish. This is not to say that one can't take a good photo without "professional equipment." A good photographer could shoot with a houselamp, some mirrors, cardstock and an umbrella. But, you'll have a much easier time getting good-looking results with some quality gear.

EDIT: As for setting, ask the friend you're shooting for. A white background will let the bra/model stand on their own -- but with advertising shots, one often wants to draw attention to a particular experience or lifestyle that can be achieved by means of the product. Also, please, while shooting an underwear model, respect the line between erotic/sexy and trashy/porn-shoot -- for your own sake, if not the model's.

Your camera combined with the 50mm lens should do just fine. The tricks will be getting the lighting/setting right. By right, I mean acceptable to the person funding this hootenanny.
 

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Originally posted by: Feanor727
Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Very couture, like they are hand made and sell for $$$$. But I really need technical advice, like, what sort of lighting, will my SB-600 be even close to enough, etc.

Unless you're shooting outside, it probably won't.

Check out the equipment and learning sections of http://www.photo.net/

particularly: http://photo.net/learn/studiolighting/

Proper lighting technique is one of the biggest elements that differentiate a "good" photograph from one that looks amateur-ish. This is not to say that one can't take a good photo without "professional equipment." A good photographer could shoot with a houselamp, some mirrors, cardstock and an umbrella. But, you'll have a much easier time getting good-looking results with some quality gear.

EDIT: As for setting, ask the friend you're shooting for. A white background will let the bra/model stand on their own -- but with advertising shots, one often wants to draw attention to a particular experience or lifestyle that can be achieved by means of the product. Also, please, while shooting an underwear model, respect the line between erotic/sexy and trashy/porn-shoot -- for your own sake, if not the model's.

Your camera combined with the 50mm lens should do just fine. The tricks will be getting the lighting/setting right. By right, I mean acceptable to the person funding this hootenanny.

So how would you characterize American Apparel, if we're talking about business and advertising? ;)

Or Terry Richardson, if we're talking about photographers? :p

Don't start the approach with gear. Lighting is just a tool. It's not worth it to be judgmental about tools. Build up the concept first. Figure out the look you're shooting for.
 

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Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Very couture, like they are hand made and sell for $$$$. But I really need technical advice, like, what sort of lighting, will my SB-600 be even close to enough, etc.

It'd be enough depending on what you want to do with it and how you work. It might not be enough depending on the look you're going for. Again, you really really really need to get the concept down first. Gear comes second.
 
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Among a number of other ideas, I was thinking of doing a shot where I am up on a stool or chair and she is lying on the floor, maybe with about a 40mm or 50mm focal, with her hair splayed out. That would be a good way to get the focus on her face, bra, and breasts.
 

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Originally posted by: virtuamike


So how would you characterize American Apparel, if we're talking about business and advertising? ;)

Or Terry Richardson, if we're talking about photographers? :p

Don't start the approach with gear. Lighting is just a tool. It's not worth it to be judgmental about tools. Build up the concept first. Figure out the look you're shooting for.

Interesting points...

One of American Apparel's draws, or perhaps I should say foci, is their simplicity or basic-ness. They produce quality, basic clothing (t-shirts, underwear, etc.) in solid colors. An elaborate setting might detract from that element (then again, it might set it off nicely. They do what they do, and it works). I'm not suggesting that he has to do an elaborate shoot. I'm just pointing out different paths of thought he might want to travel with his friend.

The OP pointing out that he feels in over his head indicates that he has little to no experience with professional or portrait photography. 99 times out of 100, if someone with minimal photographic experience sets out to create photos like Terry's, the end result will look like a pile of snapshots, and not anything close to snapshot-inspired art.

I'm in no way trying to be a gear-queer or to foist such a state upon the OP. I completely and resoundingly agree that one must firmly define the concept for the shoot; however, I'm passing along some advice that I wish had been told me before I undertook my first (or second, or third) portrait session(s). It would be disastrous if they decided upon a high-art concept (as one might very well do with couture fashion of any kind, much less lingerie, advertisements of which could easily stray into trashy territory), and attempted to implement said concept with a simple flash. Moreover, if they wish to experiment with concept through a series of test-shots (expensive, if you're paying the model and/or renting the equipment), they might find their conceptual palette unnecessarily limited by their gear (or lack thereof).

Great photos can be taken with nothing more than a pinhole camera and a stopwatch. Skill and talent, not experience or gear, is what's required to take a great photo. However, lacking those, experience and gear can make up for quite a bit. Once again, since the OP stated he feels in over his head, I'm justifiably assuming he lacks experience and skill. He's made known the state of his gear. Now, a certain amount of talent could definitely make up for what the OP lacks in the other three areas; and moreover, I might be vastly underestimating the amount of talent the OP possesses (and if I am, then I apologize) BUT statistically speaking, I'm not. I doubt very seriously that the OP possesses the raw talent of Annie Leibowitz or Robert Maplethorpe and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! Do the best you can with what you have! But, don't unduly limit yourself, and for heaven's sake don't deliver less than your best work to a client, paying or otherwise.

LordSegan, you really need to talk to your friend and define, even in broad strokes, a vision for what these shots should look like. Examine comparable ads. Do you want this to look like American Apparel? Victoria's Secret? Adam and Eve? A Target flyer? A couple things to keep in mind, though. When doing advertising shots (for clothing, anyways), the model exists to serve the product. The destination of every thought-path taken when looking at the picture should lead to the product. Whether it's "Wow, that models really beautiful, it must be because she's wearing *bra*" or "Riding a motorcycle shirtless looks fun! I might have that much fun if I wear *bra*" if it doesn't draw attention to the product, it's not a good advertisement. How to implement this in a photograph is your responsibility as the photographer.

Regarding having the model lying on the floor, unless she has breast implants, her breasts will fall to either side of her sternum and flatten. This is oftentimes not a flattering pose. However, if the bra is highly supportive, she is particularly small-chested, or she has implants, it could be an interesting effect.
 
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The bra costs $3000 and looks something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vivekpix/445072100/

I was thinking of trying to imitate some of the following shots:

Do you think they would be possible for me?

Also, I have access to some really nice houses which could be used for background. Or should I use a dark/neutral background as was used in some of the following shots?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/n...2/in/pool-10206545@N00

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jenlee_is_me/3061912829/ (breasts may not work in this pose? They are natural-mid sized)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...4/in/pool-10206545@N00 (this emphasizes the torso/bra and not the panties/pants etc)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...0/in/pool-10206545@N00 (same comments as above)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...8/in/pool-10206545@N00 (Just like this pose, again, easy to see the bra/product)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/memoflores/1055434362/ (easy to see the bra, nice side shot of the breasts, very erotic.. but maybe trashy?)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yvojoe/2944866254/ (close up with dark and/or out of focus background)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yvojoe/2940506617/ (similar to above)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/y...017111/in/photostream/ (bra only shot, should I do many of those) ?





 

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Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
The bra costs $3000 and looks something like this:
I was thinking of trying to imitate some of the following shots:

Do you think they would be possible for me?

Also, I have access to some really nice houses which could be used for background. Or should I use a dark/neutral background as was used in some of the following shots?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/n...2/in/pool-10206545@N00

(breasts may not work in this pose? They are natural-mid sized)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...4/in/pool-10206545@N00 (this emphasizes the torso/bra and not the panties/pants etc)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...0/in/pool-10206545@N00 (same comments as above)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h...8/in/pool-10206545@N00 (Just like this pose, again, easy to see the bra/product)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/memoflores/1055434362/ (easy to see the bra, nice side shot of the breasts, very erotic.. but maybe trashy?)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yvojoe/2944866254/ (close up with dark and/or out of focus background)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yvojoe/2940506617/ (similar to above)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/y...017111/in/photostream/ (bra only shot, should I do many of those) ?

None of those would sell bras.

Look beyond poses and backgrounds. That's not a concept. Think bigger. Don't look at flickr. Look at ads. Look at what's being used.
 

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I'd like to echo what others have said about the lifestyle aspect: your advertising photos need to show not just what is on sale, but WHY the customer should buy it.
 
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So does that mean I should shoot it with a "rich" looking background? Is that the type of lifestyle addition you guys are talking about?
 

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If the bra retails for $3000, then consider your target market: those in the upper classes, and well-paid strippers. What will appeal to these viewers? What prompts a purchase? More than likely the image you want to project is of class stability more than class mobility. Less of an "I want to be like that person" and more of an "I identify with that person and/or their lifestyle choices". Draw inspiration from ads for other high-end/luxury products.

Also, where will these ads be seen? Magazine? Catalog? The web? ATDVC? ;)
 
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Feanor, thanks for all your tips, you are certainly making me think.
 

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Well, this is advice from someone who has never even touched teh boobies before...

Uhhhh...

What the hell do you use a $3000 bra for? What situation would call for something like that? I was thinking of a scene with a woman sitting out on a classy looking balcony off of an expensive looking house wearing an open robe that reveals the bra. There's a cup of tea beside her and she's giving a frisky look to a gentleman that is blurred out in the foreground. But then again a $3000 bra isn't exactly a "relax outside with a cup of tea after showering" - bra.

I dunno. I have never touched teh boobies.
 

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Not to resurrect an old thread, but have you done the shoot yet? What did you decide on for the concept? Any chance of seeing the results?
 
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Originally posted by: Feanor727
Not to resurrect an old thread, but have you done the shoot yet? What did you decide on for the concept? Any chance of seeing the results?

Not going to happen until early January. Possible that I could post some low quality shots, I'll get back to y'all on that.

I decided that I am going to rent a second flash and softbox to insure proper fill-flash.

I think I might use a friend's house that has a very posh interior and also a beautiful cityscape of Los Angeles off his 50 ft balcony.
 
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Let me be the first to say.... :camera:'s?

Other then requesting pics, take a look at high end lingerie and see what those ad's look like. It's more about showing what the bra can do for you, then about the design and such. Look at alcohol ads, they do this very well. With lingerie you obviously can't do it at a bar and show how 5 guys are around one girl drinking that alcohol, but take that concept and apply it to the lingerie.

Bra's/lingerie like this is more about the status of it then physical benefits. Does a $4k bra use better materials, have a better quality, and just do what a bra does better then a $40 one? I'm sure it does, but that's not what will sell it. The main reason for it is because it is a status symbol, and makes you "better" then those poor saps who buy VS stuff. Emphasize what "doors" the bra will "unlock" if you own one, just like every other ultra-expensive item in a category.
 

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Another place to get ideas from is model mayhem. There are some awesome glamour/fashion photography in there that go into print ads. You'll have to do searching of course but that'll give you some ideas as well. for your lighting though... if you go off-camera flash, you're going to need gear to fire your flash (wait... can the D90 trip the SB600 w/o extra gear?).

I liked what everyone said. There are a lot of things to consider but you have some time to do research before you do your shot.

But you're probably going to want a softbox and/or shoot-through umbrella which means you'll need a flash bracket and a few stands. These are things that all strobists should have anyway. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
(wait... can the D90 trip the SB600 w/o extra gear?)

yes. D90 has built-in wireless flash commander mode, which works with the SB-600/800/900.