Need help sorting out an issue on my new OC'd rig.

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klepp0906

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Ok, first let me say.. i will kiss the feet of whoever can help me solve this because im tearing my hair out and its driving me nuts.

First my setup
running a E6300 @ 3.2 and some change (466fsb)
using 2x1gb sticks of gskill pc800 memory
gigabyte 965p S3 board on F8 bios
evga 8800gtx
vista 64

Now my problem
when she's running right, I get around 10500 in 3dmark 06 and around 50fps on max in the mmo im currently playing (vanguard)
however, whenever it feels like it "it seems like" out of nowhere my 3dmarks can run @ 17000 in 05 then the next test they drop to 7000!! or in the game for example, i was playing for awhile today, and out of nowhere i started lagging, restarted and the game was running @ 30fps tops.. averaging like 15fps and not only that but it seems like its running slow mo.

Any ideas/suggestions? Ive ran a stress test overnight on the cpu and the memory at 475fsb and they checked out, however backed off at 466 its doing it!

After a random amount of restarts, when it feels like it. it'll go back to normal. I can tell when i start the game by the login screen and the speed of the flames whether my framerate is gonna be good, or suck in game.

Ive tried everything just about, at a loss. is it heat, is it voltage, is it neither? vista drivers?
 
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Agentbolt

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That is a genuinely weird problem. Have you run Orthos to confirm stability on that OC? What are your temps? The only thing I can even THINK of is the processor overheating and throttling.
 
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havent run orthos, does it run in vista 64bit? also i just ran 3dmark 05.. got 7k w/ my usual being 17k. Ive been using everest and immediately ran it after 3dmark and mem and cpu and fpu still testing fine.

Bios issue? NB heat issue? im at a loss but help would be great! keep the ideas coming cause atm i cant jam vg!

think its possible the vid card is overheating and throttling? its not oc'd at all so i couldnt see why it would be but 8800 sure is warm to the touch =P
 
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Agentbolt

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The 8800's normal operating temperature is something ridiculous like 70 degrees C if I recall, I don't believe it has thermal throttling.

The intermittent aspect points to heat or a hardware issue more than software, so I don't think it's drivers. I'm not up enough on current components to give much specific info though.
 
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klepp0906

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Ah, looks like i'll have to wait for more folks to chime in then. As for heat, im using a zalman 9700 and in everest its showing as 62 under full load. However in the bios its always reporting a little lower dont know which one is off but....

As for orthos, just ran it for about an hour (i know its not much) but in that hour, no errors.

I'm stumped but it literally makes me lose over 10,000 3dmarks and makes my game run not really choppy like video lag but literally slow motion.
 
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It sounds like you're throttling. Use this to see what your temps are: CoreTemp, while you stress your cpu with this: Orthos. BTW, if you aren't overheating, then you aren't giving your cpu enough vcore. Sounds crazy, but it's true; performance will go down while overclocking, if you don't give them enough vcore.
 
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klepp0906

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Well for the coretemp utility, it wont run in vista so im SoL there. I do run everest and its showing me get up into the 60 degree range overclocked under full load. Thats not "overheating" persay right? Not sure how accurate it is either but.

As for more voltage, I have my bios set to auto at the moment..that sets my cpu at 1.425 I can try to give it more though. It also sets my memory at 2.1. Not sure where it sets my fsb voltage or my northbridge voltage(MCG) so I guess i'll have to play with those and see what happens.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

Everest doesnt show it throttling although maybe running a game stresses it further /shrug.
 
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klepp0906

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ok to get back to you guys, so far More voltage isnt helping, had the ram up to 2.2 the cpu up to 1.45 the nb +.3 and its still doing it. It just happened while i was playing.. relogged and its worse /boggle.

Think it could be the soundcard? think it could be xp? There has to be a way to figure out what it is.

Will try those apps and get back to ya =)
 
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klepp0906

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Ok Gerwen, thanks for the suggestions but Intel thermal tool installed but wouldnt run, the other one wouldnt run as well >.<

please keep the suggestions coming, and thanks for the help thus far. Could it be a bios issue? a setting in the bios? Anyone familair with 965 boards?

What a nightmare, i literally have to restart my computer and mess with voltages and bus speeds over and over until it speeds itself back up again. I can tell if its gonna run right before i even log into the game by the sound and speed of the flames on the log in screen lol.
 
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klepp0906

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tried it at 425 fsb even, and its still doing it. Tried it with voltage on auto in the bios, tried it with voltages through the roof still doing it. Im not sure if its cpu or video related or what. I wanted to say that when its running (bad) i get 1-2fps in 3dmarks cpu test, when its normally 7-8fps. But then again, i also get 30 or so fps when its normally 100 on the video tests. Would attaching a 3dmark result file help in any way shape or form?


im tellin you guys, 20 bucks paypal'd to whoever fixes this =( 20fps on minimum settings playing vanguard in slowmotion doesnt make sense on a 3gig core2duo and an 8800gtx, vista or not
 
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Accord99

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With cpu-z, check to see if your PCI-e link is still at x16 whenever it's lagging.
 
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klepp0906

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yea someone on another forum told me to check that. I'll do that, but honestly it doesnt seem like video lag. Its not choppy.. its more like slow motion. Sound ends up stutterin and gettin slowed down sometimes too.

Also cpu tests take a hit along w/ video tests in 3dmark .. does vga performace affect the cpu only tests?
 
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You don't happen to still have SpeedStep still turned on in the BIOS, do you? If not, it still sounds to me like you're throttling. And no, your video card's performance wouldn't affect your cpu scores in 3dMark, but your cpu's performance will definitely affect your video card's performance, if you have a fast video card.
 
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klepp0906

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Hmm speedstep, does it go buy something else in the 965chipset bios'?
99% sure that i dont regardless. Anything that allows the chip to alter its own voltage or speed i have off. However there is some new HPET thing that can be ran at 32 or 64 bit that just popped up in the F8 bios....
 
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klepp0906

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myocardia thats what i figured, has to be something cpu related then right? considering those scores take a massive hit as well.

And thank god cpuid has a new version that works w/ vista this time. Yes it still says x16 @ the time of the slow motion.

help/ideas/suggestions/fixes =)
 
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klepp0906

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HA, ok guys... first let me thank everyone for help so far. very kick ass.

However i just alt tabbed out and caught it in CPU-Z. Link Width is x1 Max x16

now the trick is why in the hell is it running @ x1 pretty much whenever it feels like running in it?
 
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Does anyone else instinctively shudder when they hear "rig" applied to computers? System is as close as I'll get to an all-encompassing word for it. Rig sounds a bit "xtreme UV RAM lites plus killer NIC" to me.
 
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Have you tried running Windows XP? IMO it could be the fact that you're running a brand new OS. That's what I'd do. After all you never know you could be victim to a newly discovered Vista bug.

EDIT: If you have another rig or a friend with components that could be used in your rig try out different parts to see if it works, or see if your rig has this same behavior at stock settings. I guess it could also be your PSU.
 
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klepp0906

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supposedly its an issue with the chipset, folks with different boards, same chipset are having similar issues so i hear. Most of them have solved it with a combination of bios updates and locking the pci bus in the bios. Didnt work for me though =(

Either way, im back in Xp now and hoping that sometime in the near future MS and gigabyte kick out some updates/bios's and get this 64 bit stuff squared away!

Yeash the new dx10 demo is out and barely anyone is running vista apparently! lol

will post back if the problem is still persisting, xp is doin its first defrag atm.

Thanks for all the input guys!
 
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klepp0906

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well, issue is gone. And atm im in windows @ 3500mhz. Not sure if i feel safe running it @ that speed though lol.
 
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jakegub

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Alright, I'm having the same problem with almost the same setup.

E6300 @ 2.9GHz
GA-965p-ds3
G.Skill DDR2-800
eVGA 7900GTX

CPU-Z on startup shows x1 as link width. I've tried locking the PCI-Express speed at 100 and 101 and i've tried auto. When I get into windows they still show x1 in cpu-z. Anyone know what is going on? I have the latest BIOS already as well
 
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