Need help selecting a quality 1920x1200 WUXGA LCD...

[martinblank64]

I want to buy a new WUXGA 1920x1200 LCD monitor to compliment my dual 4870X2s. I am looking to spend ~$600. These days, there are so many to choose from, it makes my head spin. Viewing angles are not very important to me; I am the only one using it, and I sit directly in front of it. Its main purposes will be gaming, browsing the web and typing.

I do care about actual image quality quite a bit. I am looking for an LCD with an actual 8-bit or 10-bit panel that does not use dithering. Also, I am aware there are 120Hz LCD TVs out today, but I don't know of any computer LCDs that are 120Hz. If at all possible, I would like to have 120Hz, or at the very least, higher than 60Hz at 1920x1200. I need it to have quite good blacks and whites, and preferably little to no backlight bleeding. I need a fast response time, preferably 6ms or lower. The object is to have the least possible amount of ghosting in games.

Finally, I need it to be HDCP compliant so I don't end up getting screwed over.

Any suggestions or advice?

 

[CP5670]

Note that "120hz" is just a silly marketing term for black frame insertion. They still run at 60hz like any other LCD.

 

[martinblank64]

I can live with 60Hz. All I was saying, if there is anything better, I would love it.

So any suggestions? I really would like to order ASAP, and the number of choices is really making my head spin. I've been considering the HP LP2465:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059

Only issue is that it lacks HDCP. Of course, if that is ever an issue, there are methods available... but...

Anyway, I noticed someone who left a review on newegg said it uses an S-PVA panel... how is S-PVA for as far as input lag is concerned? I thought I heard that PVA had the most lag. Is S-PVA any better in that respect? As long as it is at least as good as my current S-IPS LG L2000C... I will be happy.

Anybody have any more insight? Would the HP be a bad choice for gaming, with image quality in mind as well?

 

[Tempered81]

I saw a 30" on froogle for $700 something.

 

[alcoholbob]

10bit you are looking IPS panels but VA-based panels are all 8-bit.

As far as response time, you need to consult review measurements. The manufacturer listings are all over the place and 99% of the time they measure significantly worse. Your average VA screen measures closer to a 15ms response in a line-of-best-fit across the color band despite the listed specs.

 

[IlllI]

doublesight DS-265W

 

[darXoul]

If you can live without HDMI and can get the H-IPS version labeled "P", I'd recommend the LG W2600HP monitor (H-IPS, 5 ms, 1920*1200, 26"). IMHO, it's probably the BEST currently available LCD for demanding gamers. It's IPS so colors are very good (although grey gradients and general color fidelity isn't as perfect as on the NEC 2690WUXi), contrast is good, and viewing angles are just great. Plus, it somehow manages to provide very good "speed" for games as well - which means under 1 frame input lag and no ghosting / blur comparable to the fastest TN panels. Plus, it's not that expensive for a large IPS display, although of course you could buy 2 good TN 24" monitors for its price.

Just make sure you get the H-IPS version (there is also a W2600H version, which is TN) and revision 2 which means serial number 805M or higher (it fixes red oversaturation and banding).

Here's a review:

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...review-lg-w2600hp.html

BTW, it got only one "+" for hardcore gamers but it's a bit deceiving sometimes - the NEC 20WGX2 also got one, and it was/is an absolutely great and popular gaming monitor, if a bit on the small side.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Lenovo L220x. The world's only 22" 1920x1200 S-PVA LCD. I'm picking one up tomorrow morning. The difference between it and a 24" or 26" TN LCD sitting right next to it, for the same price, is night and day. True 8-bit color, 92% color gamut for around $460. I was really unhappy about only being able to afford a lousy TN panel that sucks all the life out of photographs and videos.

You will never find an LCD that supports more than 60Hz. That stat is obsolete post-CRT. You get no interlacing flicker on LCDs. Circuitry to produce higher refresh rates on LCDs is pointless.

 

[darXoul]

0.247 mm pixel pitch is below my tolerance (it's even smaller than the already very small 0.251 mm on 30-inchers) but whatever floats your boat.

 

[martinblank64]

Unfortunately, 26" is too large for me. Max size I can get is 24".

I've kind of increased my budget and am now looking at the NEC LCD2490WUXi-BK. Is it any good? I would assume yes, for the price...

Is it 10-bit or 8-bit? It has an H-IPS panel.

 

[IlllI]

HP LP2475w supposedly has wide gamut S-IPS
or

NEC LCD2490Wuxi-SV (Spectraview II)
(this is a copy and paste-not my words)
1) Advanced internal color look up table calibration. Means colors will be just shy of 100% perfect regardless of what is connected to it. As Albovin mentioned, spend the money for the "SV" version and you will always have color calibrated (as long as you calibrate it)
2) Color uniformity compensation which works. It all but eliminates backlight uniformity issues. Prad.DE mentioned the backlight uniformity was within 5% on the 26" in their review after enabling Color Comp. That is an exemplary result!
3) Advanced scaler with proper aspect ratio control for ALL supported resolutions PLUS the ability to perform aspect, 1:1, and custom, user defined image expansion. Also, unlike others, scaling up lower resolutions does not increase input lag.
4) Auto brightness adjusts the monitor based on ambient lighting conditions. Brightens when the room is bright, darkens accordingly when the room darkens to help with brightness perception
5) You can turn overdrive on and off with no input lag changes, and the overdrive does not induce inverse ghosting
6) Advanced color, gamma and preset controls for customizable color, including offset and gain controls for user customizations.
7) Full compatibility with gaming consoles that use HDMI, DVI or VGA, as well as HDMI based BluRay players with no overscan (cropping) or stretching of the image (unless chosen to do so). This even works with 480p images that other monitors have problems with (stretching/cropping). The only thing it CANNOT do is interlaced.
8) Unsurpassed viewing angles with almost ZERO color shift and no sparkly/grainy display due to anti-glare. Only a a slight green or red cast can be seen on blacks from extreme viewing angles
9) Competitive TRUE contrast ratio of up to 800:1. My 2690 is set at 140cdm/2 brightness and still does over 600:1 contrast. My MVA panel drops to 400:1 at 30% brightness of 200cdm/2.
10) Auto luminance. In the advanced OSD you can set it to a certain "CDM/2" brightness and it will achieve it fairly closely (within 5%)
11) Low brightness modes - For those sensitive eyes
12) Even the LED is customizable for color (blue/green) and brightness as are the gray/black bars at top and bottom of a properly displayed 1080p image.
13) FOUR year warranty and NEC customer service and support is top-notch. My 2690 had a loose panel and stuck subpixels and they got me a new display from Chicago to Toronto in less than two business days. They even gave me a number to call for return pick up.

 

[mrjohn]

Originally posted by: martinblank64
I can live with 60Hz. All I was saying, if there is anything better, I would love it.

So any suggestions? I really would like to order ASAP, and the number of choices is really making my head spin. I've been considering the HP LP2465:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059

Only issue is that it lacks HDCP. Of course, if that is ever an issue, there are methods available... but...

Anyway, I noticed someone who left a review on newegg said it uses an S-PVA panel... how is S-PVA for as far as input lag is concerned? I thought I heard that PVA had the most lag. Is S-PVA any better in that respect? As long as it is at least as good as my current S-IPS LG L2000C... I will be happy.

Anybody have any more insight? Would the HP be a bad choice for gaming, with image quality in mind as well?

There is nothing better because 60hz is the limit of what DVI can take over a single link at 1920x1200.

 

[CP5670]

You will never find an LCD that supports more than 60Hz. That stat is obsolete post-CRT. You get no interlacing flicker on LCDs. Circuitry to produce higher refresh rates on LCDs is pointless.

That isn't the point. The refresh rate puts a cap on the maximum framerate it can display and a higher setting also helps to reduce the framerate drops from vsync. There are in fact a couple of 19" LCDs that do 75hz (properly).

I've kind of increased my budget and am now looking at the NEC LCD2490WUXi-BK. Is it any good? I would assume yes, for the price...

Is it 10-bit or 8-bit? It has an H-IPS panel.

That's a pretty good one, although last I checked it was a lot more than your price limit of $600.

I think it's 8-bit, although it may use a lookup table with a higher color depth. True 10-bit panels are rare and only appear on some expensive professional models.

 

[martinblank64]

It does say something about using a 12-bit lookup table... is that good? Should I spend the extra money for the version with the calibration software/hardware?

I know it's over my budget, and I am unhappy to pay this price, but it is the only LCD that suits my needs (wants) apparently.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Stop playing around and get a REAL MONITOR.

# Recommended Resolution: 1920 x 1200
# Viewing Angle: 178°(H) / 178°(V)
# Pixel Pitch: 0.27mm
# Display Colors: Over one billion active colors (30-bit)
# Brightness: 250 cd/m2
# Contrast Ratio: 1000:1

 

[martinblank64]

I went ahead and ordered the NEC -- and I went for the one with the built in calibration hardware and software, for a grand total of $1226. I love how that ends up working out, spending more than double my original budget and all.

 

[IlllI]

tell us how you like it when you get it martinblank64.
from what i've read thats one of the best you can get

 

[martinblank64]

The screen owns, hard.