Need help installing Voodoo PCI card

[Dinah]

I have a friend's son that wants to install a new Voodoo3 3000 PCI 16MB Ultra High Speed, High Resolution 2D/3D Accelerator video card on their computer.

Her current system is a K6-II 333, 128 mgs ram, Windows 98SE, with a Pine super-7 motherboard that has the Via Apollo Super MVP4 chipset with onboard audio/modem/video. The onboard modem has been disabled in the BIOS and she's using a PCI modem.

The instructions say to change the video adapter to standard VGA first and then remove all drivers related to the original card or disable that device in the Device Manager.

I looked in the motherboard's manual and there is no jumper on the motherboard to disable the onboard video.

In the BIOS there is an option:

Onchip AGP (that allows you to select whether PCI Slot or AGP device will be initialized first)enabled/disabled.

And some other options that I may need to adjust:

Init Display first (that allows you to slect whether PCI Slot or AGP device will be initialized first for display) PCI slot/AGP.

Also, 3DFX recommends to Enable CPU WRITE ALLOCATE or K6 WRITE (this setting is usually necessary for DirectX games to work correctly on Super 7 boards). This BIOS has CPU to PCI Write Buffer. Is that what they are talking about? (I don?t think there is a BIOS upgrade for this board and they recommend downloading the "Powertweak" utility from: http://www.powertweak.com or the freeware Windows 9x/DOS utility to set K6 Write Allocation: http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/PCMusic/Downloads/setk6v3.zip)


So, should I disable the video adapter in the device manager or,
change the video adapter settings to standard VGA adapter, reboot, go into BIOS and make the changes, then bootup into Windows and install the Voodoo drivers?

Thank you for any help, Dinah

 

[LevcoS]

First, go into device manager and REMOVE the video controller. Reboot and set init display first to PCI, onboard AGP to disable. SAve and exit BIOS; power off. Install the V3, connect monitor cable to V3 and not to onboard, power up. You ought to go directly into windows and see "New hardware detected". Offer Windows the V3 drivers when prompted, and you're done!

LevcoS

 

[earthman]

If there is no jumper to disable the onboard video, then the bios setting is how it is done, just set the onchip vga to disable. The init first part is not that relevant, the board will initialize what it finds. If Windows still detects the onboard chip, you can disable it in the device manager later. Before you install the new card, change the adapter to standard vga, then shut down and put in the new card, hook the monitor to it, and power up. Install the correct drivers, and you should be good to go.

 

[LevcoS]

The init first part IS relevant; if the board initializes onboard AGP first, the new card will only be detected as secondary monitor card in Windows.

LEvcoS

 

[Dinah]

Thank you, gentlemen, for your help. I really do appreciate it.
Dinah

 

[PG]

Do not remove the onboard video from your device manager. It will be detected again by windows. You can't get rid of it, so just disable it.

 

[Dinah]

I finally got over to my friend's house to install the video card and ran into a major obstacle. In the BIOS, the "onchip video" option is not there. This is the motherboard that the instruction manual is for and all of the other settings are there exactly like they are supposed to be, but that setting is just not there.
I couldn't even try to disable it in Device Manager in Windows 98 SE - there is only a box for "exists in all profiles".
Has anyone ever run into this problem?
I reset the CMOS, but that didn't help.
It's a super7 Pine Group motherboard PT-VIP43-17; with VIA APOLLO Super MVP4 chipset; audio/video on board. It has an Award 4.51pg BIOS. The support website for Pine Group offers some BIOS updates but it's unclear if there is one for this board. I was hoping if I flashed the BIOS it would bring the option "back" (I guess it was there at some time?).
I know is a kind of a bottom of the barrel system, but it's all they have and they don't have much money. The son saved money for three month's to get the video card.
Is there any hope of getting this card installed?
Thank you for any information, Dinah

 

[samoo]

i had a similiar system a few years back and i could not get the onboard video disabled no matter what i tried. it was a toshiba system with an S3 onboard video. Disabled it in the control panel but upon boot up it would conflict with the new card. but this was when i had win95 and not 98 which i believe is supposed to support more than 1 video card. can i ask what happens when you install the card?

 

[PG]

Who says you need to disable the onboard video at all? With win98's muti-monitor support, maybe you don't need to disable it.

 

[Tominator]

Possibly there is a jumper on the mb to disable on board video?

It must be disabled in some way or problems with programs recognizing the wrong display adaptor are bound to give severe headaches.

Also, if you have problems, the ONLY way to properly install a new video card is a complete reinstallation of the OS includeing a format.

Go to C:/Windows/INF/other and remove any inf file not associated with your current hardware. If it is a S3 onboard video, remove that inf file.

...oh, and good luck!

 

[Dinah]

Before I tried installing the Voodoo card I changed the video adapter to standard video adapter before rebooting to go into the BIOS to change the AGP onchip setting. I noticed right away that something was amiss because it read out as a standard PCI video adapter. There is no PCI video card in the computer - only the onboard which is supposed to be an AGP.
I went ahead and installed the Voodoo thinking I was going to disable the onchip video and change initial display from AGP to PCI. (That setting is there and it was already set to PCI.)

I was at a loss on what to do at that point. I went ahead and booted up. I was hoping that maybe removing the original driver (Trident) was why the option to disable the onchip AGP Video was missing and that the intial dispaly setting on PCI might make everything okay.

Everything came up okay (the monitor was hooked to the Voodoo). I tried installing the drivers for the Voodoo from their installation disk but got a standard PCI video adapter instead. When I tried to force the appropriate driver instead of taking the default it said that it was not for that equipment. When it finished booting I had two standard video adapters in the device mangager - one had an IRQ assignment; one did not. I figured the one with the Irq assignment was the Voodoo.

The system became a little unstable. I know there should not be two video adapters. I tried several times going back into the BIOS. The onchip video setting never did appear. The Voodoo apparently has it's own BIOS or at least that's what it looked like when the machine would boot up. I finally removed the Voodoo and reinstalled the Trident driver.

I have looked all over the mb and through the manual for the mb, and I can't find a jumper for the onboard video. Writing this I was just thinking, " Could the initialize display setting set to PCI first keep the onchip video setting from showing up?" I really think the BIOS is screwed up for some reason.

Thanks for trying to help, I really appreciate it. This computer has really caused a lot of problems. It used to give Registry errors all of the time, but with some info I received from this board I traced it down to bad ram. Thanks again, Dinah