Need help from religious people

[Ilmater]

Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

 

[elmer92413]

Here's a pretty comprehensive list

 

[ElFenix]

that doesn't sound like jesus to me

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: elmer92413
Here's a pretty comprehensive list

That's not really what I'm looking for. God judged those people, he didn't have people killing on his behalf. Having grown up Catholic (hated being Catholic and no longer practice), I remember plenty of old testament verses where God killed people, but one of the things we were always taught was that God judged - not humans.

What we're trying to find is where God directed people to judge others and kill on his behalf. I know there are passages out there, but I can't find them.

 

[Anubis]

"Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god."


i wish i could kill people who dial the wrong number and get my house

 

[theprodigalrebel]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: elmer92413
Here's a pretty comprehensive list

That's not really what I'm looking for. God judged those people, he didn't have people killing on his behalf. Having grown up Catholic (hated being Catholic and no longer practice), I remember plenty of old testament verses where God killed people, but one of the things we were always taught was that God judged - not humans.

What we're trying to find is where God directed people to judge others and kill on his behalf. I know there are passages out there, but I can't find them.

I'll give it a go, but it will take me an hour or so.
<--Christian

 

[elmer92413]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: elmer92413
Here's a pretty comprehensive list

That's not really what I'm looking for. God judged those people, he didn't have people killing on his behalf. Having grown up Catholic (hated being Catholic and no longer practice), I remember plenty of old testament verses where God killed people, but one of the things we were always taught was that God judged - not humans.

What we're trying to find is where God directed people to judge others and kill on his behalf. I know there are passages out there, but I can't find them.

Well finding passages where God directs others to "judge" isn't something that you are going to find. That would be a fundamental flaw in theology. As you said "God judged - not humans."
^But that's beside the point.
Some of the things on that list are what you are looking for though.

 

[Miramonti]

Its not fair to compare the Christian/Judaism God with Mohammed. When God kills or has someone killed, its out of righteousness, but when Mohammed does, its clearly murder of the first degree.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

How about you s<ing>tfu? Linguistic troll.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

How about you s<ing>tfu? Linguistic troll.

How about...no.

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: TheNewbie

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

How about you s<ing>tfu? Linguistic troll.

How about...no.

You want a piece of me?!

</seinfeld>

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its not fair to compare the Christian/Judaism God with Mohammed. When God kills or has someone killed, its out of righteousness, but when Mohammed does, its clearly murder of the first degree.

It's not fair? No. . .it's not even logical. If you were to make a comparison between Christianity and Islam it would be closer to something like Allah is to God as Mohammed is to Jesus.

Mohammed was the prophet of Allah. Jesus was the son of God. You are comparing apples to oranges if you start comparing what Mohammed does to what God does.

 

[Ultralight]

Jesus never directed His followers to judge and to kill.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Ultralight
Jesus never directed His followers to judge and to kill.

He was too nice for his time.... Fuck, he's too nice for OUR time. Poor guy.

 

[Crono]

Here's a couple I could find from the OT (there are none in the NT). It is by no means a comprehensive list, just whatever references I could find in my spare time. Keep in mind that God dealt severely with the enemies of Israel, and even the nation of Israel itself when it was in disobedience, for one reason: the preservation of the nation. God's will was to preserve the nation of Israel, which He had set apart or made holy from the rest of the world, because it was by Israel that a Redeemer, the Messiah and Son of God, would come into the world to die for the sins of both Jew and Gentile. That is the reason God implemented the Law and Prophets, in order that the lineage leading to Christ (see the gospels for lineage through Mary and through Joseph) would be intact. Such strict dealings were necessary, and God was just in it all. God alone has the right to take away and to give life because He is the one that gave it, gives it, and preserves it. We see that the nation of Israel was indeed preserved by God's protection (even though they had nearly destroyed themselves many times because of their disobedience), like no other nation has been preserved over thousands of years, and that indeed the Messiah did come into the world 2,000 or so years ago to die on a cross for our sins. That is why there is no record of God commanding the nation to kill anyone in the NT - it was no longer necessary for the bringing of the Messiah. God is still protecting Israel from absolute destruction, though, and even though the nation as a whole has turned away from Him and have rejected His Son, He will turn their hearts to Him just before the return of the King, Jesus Christ.


Exodus 19:12-13 - God commands that no one should approach His presence on the mountain or even the base of the mountain, under
penalty of death.

Exodus 22:18 - "Do not allow a witch to live".

Numbers 31 - God tells the nation of Israel to take vengeance on
the Midianites. The Midianites were a nomadic people, distantly related
to the Israelites. Earlier in the book of Numbers, chapter 22, we see that the Midianites had made themselves
enemies of Israel by joining forces with the Moabites in hiring the false prophet/magician Balaam to curse the nation of Israel.

Deuteronomy 13 - God institutes the penalty of death for false prophets and anyone trying to apostasize (lead the people way from) God.

Joshua 7 - God told the people via Joshua not to take anything "accursed" thing of Jericho, a Canaanite city (the Canaanites were a wicked people who worshipped false gods). Achan disobeys by pocketing, by his own admission, "the spoils a beautiful Babylonian garment, two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold weighing fifty shekels". God commands that he, his family, and everything he had to be burned with fire.

Joshua 8 - God tells Joshua to make war against Ai, another Canaanite stronghold.

Judges 20 - In the previous chapter, there is recorded the really awful rape and murder of a woman, and her cold and callous husband that rallies the nation to war by cutting up her body and sending the pieces to the tribes of the nation (that chapter is one that really shows how wicked mankind can be).In chapter 20 the tribes of Israel ask for permission to fight against the tribe of Benjamin (one of the 12) because among them were the perpetrators of the crime and the general state of the city of Gibeah was one of wickedness.

1 Samuel 15 - God commands Saul to completely destroy Amalek, and not leave anyone alive. Saul lets Agag, the king, live. Saul,
for his disobedience, would be taken out as king by God, and replaced by a "man after God's own heart", David. Samuel, a prophet of God, does what Saul should have done and kills Agag. The descendents of Agag, the Agagites, continue to harrass the nation of Israel for generations, and they are not completley destroyed until the book of Esther, when Haman the Agagite is hanged on his own gallows after his attempt to have all the Jews killed fails.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Ultralight
Jesus never directed His followers to judge and to kill.

You are correct. When Peter even attempted to attack the cohort of Roman soldiers and Jewish officials that came to arrest Jesus, Jesus stopped him and even healed the ear of the guy that Peter slashed at. The first coming of Jesus was for His death and the defeat of death by His resurrection, and to bring salvation into the world by acting as propitiation (payment) for the debt of sin that every human being has. Anyone who receives the gift of His sacrifice is cleansed from all sin, and will enter the Kingdom of God. As Jesus said, ?My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.? He didn't come here to kill or to advocate killing, but to be the Light among men and to save many from darkness.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

Blow it out your ass. I actually normally have impeccable grammar. Notice that my punctuation and spelling are always flawless. I never mix up they're, their, and there. The only - and I mean absolutely only - mistake I ever make is mixing that up.

 

[brandonb]

Please note:

I've read about 1/4 the bible, but I do remember spots from the older books where God commanded the Jews to kill people in Israel and drive them out. There was one spot where God divided up the Jews into tribes (9 or so) and told each of them that a certain part of the land was there. If they didn't go remove people by force, God was going to kill the Jewish tribe.

I think it was in the book of Numbers, or Duenenotometry (I forget the spelling)...

But yes, there are places in there that I've read that God commanded the Jews to go kill people. But I have not touched the New Testament.

(If my memory is bad about how the scenario took place, I apologize in advance)

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

The Bible is pretty clear on the fact that God has judged and killed people. However, if you're looking for passages in which Jesus or God tells contemporary Christians to kill in his name, you will be sore fetched.

Romans 12 (KJV)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

As for Islam, I don't think I'm fit to answer that question, but Allah and Mohammed are definitely not equivalent to God and Jesus.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Me and some friends are having an argument, and we're trying to find all the passages in the Bible and the Koran where God, Jesus, or Mohammed tells people to kill in God's name. We're basically trying to show that those type of passages are in both books.

It should be some friends and I, not, "me and some friends." Remove the some friends part, does it sound correct if you say, "me am having an argument?" Christ, where do you people learn to speak this way? :roll:

where do you get off being an engwish Nazi?

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
The Bible is pretty clear on the fact that God has judged and killed people. However, if you're looking for passages in which Jesus or God tells contemporary Christians to kill in his name, you will be sore fetched.

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
As for Islam, I don't think I'm fit to answer that question, but Allah and Mohammed are definitely not equivalent to God and Jesus.

QFT

 

[MrWizzard]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
The Bible is pretty clear on the fact that God has judged and killed people. However, if you're looking for passages in which Jesus or God tells contemporary Christians to kill in his name, you will be sore fetched.

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
As for Islam, I don't think I'm fit to answer that question, but Allah and Mohammed are definitely not equivalent to God and Jesus.

QFT

QFT

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its not fair to compare the Christian/Judaism God with Mohammed. When God kills or has someone killed, its out of righteousness, but when Mohammed does, its clearly murder of the first degree.

It's not fair? No. . .it's not even logical. If you were to make a comparison between Christianity and Islam it would be closer to something like Allah is to God as Mohammed is to Jesus.

Mohammed was the prophet of Allah. Jesus was the son of God. You are comparing apples to oranges if you start comparing what Mohammed does to what God does.

I thought Jesus was a prophet of Allah as well.