NEED HELP - Computers for working on 3d

[simplynluv]

Hi people - I will be making a new rig soon (maybe late of April or Mid of April, depending when the parts are available on Singapore)

Here is my plan for my next spec - budget USD 1500 $

Cooler Master HAF 912 advanced (white color - already purchased)
intel Core i7 3770 @3.4 - 3.9GHz - 4 core 8 thread
P8Z77-V PRO Asus Motheboards
Corsair Dominator 16GB Dual Channel 1600
Asus ENGTX 580 Direct CU II
HDD 1TB Sata - Seagate/WD
Pioneer DVD RW x 24
Corsair PSU 750/850 watt AX
Cooler Master Fan case Blue LED x 4
Cooler Master V6GT processor air cooler

I dont like Red clubs.. (AMD and ATI in this case.. prefer Nvidia and intel. works better for me) :biggrin:

and I dont intend to do OC - scared will fried up everything
stock performance will do for me :biggrin:

I'm actually working on 3d Architecture visualization
so I;m dealing with 3dsMax Programs, V Ray rendering, Photoshop, Maya, Sketch Up
I'm doing a little bit of Photography and Video editing too..
Light Room and Photoshop, as well Adobe After effect will be playin too

I'm doing a bit of gaming though..
but just a light gaming - once/ twice a week
game I play usually; Skyrim, MW3, BF3, Crysis.. something around that kind of games..

Any suggestion guys? like changing several parts to make the performance better or same performance with lower price?

I intend to get 23 inch LED res: 1920 x 1080

if possible I want to try to cut down the cost too, so I can get something else for my live :biggrin:



Consideration on further expansion
second Graphic Cards
Fan Controller - NZXT Sentry LX / Zalman MFC 1 white color
Samsung 23 inch LED monitor
anything but nice looking and hardcore laptop + mouse.

 

[lehtv]

Since you're building in April, buy a GTX600 series card instead of GTX580.

Lots of things where we can save money without losing anything significant quality-wise.

1) If you're not going to OC, the H77 chipset would be the right one for you as it supports everything Z77 does, apart from overclocking. The motherboard could also be a lot less expensive. I'd expect P8Z77-V Pro to be over $200, whereas a $120-150 motherboard would probably suit you as well. Check the features offered, and don't pay for features you don't need. Generally, don't also pay extra for a motherboard with the same features as the next.

2) Also if you're not overclocking, you don't need the aftermarket cooler. The retail intel cooler will do fine.

3) Corsair Dominator is expensive, just get any affordable DDR3 with the same specs, it will perform the same. Dominator is for overclockers and memory overclocking is useless on Sandy Bridge.

4) Corsair AX series is expensive, I'd recommend looking into the 80+ bronze units offered by Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, XFX, NZXT. Also, you'll never need to SLI a GTX 580 class card on 1080p, at least if you're sane. And if you do want to SLI something on 1080p, it's a setup that should be fine on a 650W power supply, given how little power the 28nm GPUs use. In any case I'm in the camp that recommends buying a PSU that is adequate for the current build, and in the unlikely scenario you go SLI, upgrade the PSU. You're more likely to save money than lose money (applies to most people anyway).

5) Four extra fans, err what? HAF 912 Advanced is already equipped with 2x 200mm and 1x 120mm. No point buying any extra fans.

With these savings you should be able to afford a 128GB SSD.

 

[simplynluv]

Since you're building in April, buy a GTX600 series card instead of GTX580.

Lots of things where we can save money without losing anything significant quality-wise.

1) If you're not going to OC, the H77 chipset would be the right one for you as it supports everything Z77 does, apart from overclocking. The motherboard could also be a lot less expensive. I'd expect P8Z77-V Pro to be over $200, whereas a $120-150 motherboard would probably suit you as well. Check the features offered, and don't pay for features you don't need. Generally, don't also pay extra for a motherboard with the same features as the next.

2) Also if you're not overclocking, you don't need the aftermarket cooler. The retail intel cooler will do fine.

3) Corsair Dominator is expensive, just get any affordable DDR3 with the same specs, it will perform the same. Dominator is for overclockers and memory overclocking is useless on Sandy Bridge.

4) Corsair AX series is expensive, I'd recommend looking into the 80+ bronze units offered by Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, XFX, NZXT. Also, you'll never need to SLI a GTX 580 class card on 1080p, at least if you're sane. And if you do want to SLI something on 1080p, it's a setup that should be fine on a 650W power supply, given how little power the 28nm GPUs use. In any case I'm in the camp that recommends buying a PSU that is adequate for the current build, and in the unlikely scenario you go SLI, upgrade the PSU. You're more likely to save money than lose money (applies to most people anyway).

5) Four extra fans, err what? HAF 912 Advanced is already equipped with 2x 200mm and 1x 120mm. No point buying any extra fans.

With these savings you should be able to afford a 128GB SSD.

Hi there

thanks for your reply

will consider GTX 600 series that perform same or a bit higher than GTX 580 with less or same price


I will take a look on H77 boards tonight when I'm free
but do you think it can stands for a long stress?
scared will fried up the mobo
since sometimes I do rendering for more than 10 hours - 100% load on processor

I did fried up my Gigabyte boards quite time ago.. along with Kingston DDR3 RAM
*(I did animation rendering with Maya, rendering for around 3 days nonstop. suddenly the pc came up with smokes and died.. goodbye motherboards and RAM)

I suppose you are right, maybe I wont need aftermarket cooler.
Ivy Bridge will be much cooler compared to Sandy Bridge right?

I will think again about the PSU. I really apprreciate your comments dude!
thank you so much for it

as for extra fans, lols...
I buy the case as brand new, but without fans.. meaning just the case with its accesories.. no fans installed - and I paint it to white myself

I hear quite a lot of people complain SSD issues in AnandTech..
so I personally scared to use SSD at this moment...

once again, tahnk you very much for your reply:biggrin:


and there is something that I need to ask you

I read about 12 phase / 16 phase DiGi / V Ram thingy on Asus Z77 boards
what does it mean? is it affecting the performance?

I will be waiting for reply
:biggrin:

 

[lehtv]

I will take a look on H77 boards tonight when I'm free
but do you think it can stands for a long stress?
scared will fried up the mobo
since sometimes I do rendering for more than 10 hours - 100% load on processor

I did fried up my Gigabyte boards quite time ago.. along with Kingston DDR3 RAM
*(I did animation rendering with Maya, rendering for around 3 days nonstop. suddenly the pc came up with smokes and died.. goodbye motherboards and RAM)

I suppose you are right, maybe I wont need aftermarket cooler.
Ivy Bridge will be much cooler compared to Sandy Bridge right?

There should be no difference in terms of longevity and build quality between Z77 and H77. The chipset just doesn't have anything to do with that. In any case, despite you having fried the motherboard before, I don't think you have anything to fear now. Ivy Bridge doesn't use more than 65W of power at stock and you're not overclocking.

I buy the case as brand new, but without fans.. meaning just the case with its accesories.. no fans installed - and I paint it to white myself

Oh nice. Carry on.

I hear quite a lot of people complain SSD issues in AnandTech..
so I personally scared to use SSD at this moment...

Really? Alright. Well it's not essential. If you're fine with HDD speeds, then it may be better to pocket the money instead of spending it

I read about 12 phase / 16 phase DiGi / V Ram thingy on Asus Z77 boards
what does it mean? is it affecting the performance?

You're describing the power delivery system. More phases generally means more stable power delivery but this doesn't matter unless you're overclocking. And even then it shouldn't matter. Overclocking Sandy and Ivy depends much more on the particular chip you happen to get.

 

[simplynluv]

err.. I cant find any H77 boards on Asus website dude..
any help?

 

[lehtv]

None of the Z77 boards are sold yet either. I'd expect H77 to be out the same time as Z77.

 

[simplynluv]

None of the Z77 boards are sold yet either. I'd expect H77 to be out the same time as Z77.

Okay


I just call the store in singapore - they said they will have the Stock for Z77 boards on this weekend or early of next week

ahh.. I hope everything will be fine..

Cant do any job without computers..

 

[Ken g6]

I hear quite a lot of people complain SSD issues in AnandTech..
so I personally scared to use SSD at this moment...

Then just:

1. Get a 64GB or less SSD. (Crucial M4s are nice. )
2. Set up Intel RST, with your Z68 or similar compatible mobo, in "enhanced" mode. "Enhanced mode is more secure because if your SSD dies you wont lose any data."

Also note that if you're using the SSD this way you don't even have to have it installed when you set up the machine. Adding it later would be just fine.

 

[mfenn]

Even if you could get a Z77 next week, it wouldn't be that useful without an Ivy Bridge processor to go with it.

Rumor has it that the higher-end ones are delayed until June-ish. Honestly though, you aren't going to see that much of a benefit from Ivy Bridge since you aren't going to OC. If you're in need of a computer now, you won't be disappointed by Sandy Bridge.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

sandy bridge will still be a good cpu

 

[simplynluv]

Hi People

thanks for the reply while I'm away for a while from Internet and Computers

I already check out some store on my local place

None of them have 2700k / 2600k / 2600 in stock


They suggest me wait until end of April or mid of May
get the non K 3770 (do you guys its worth to get 3770?)

can H77 boards stands if I'm going to use it under heavy load? (CPU will be running 100% load for 4-8 hours - 3d Rendering..)

btw thanks people

I dont understand much on Desktop Component..
I just want out maximum performance for my work

:biggrin:

 

[richaron]

can H77 boards stands if I'm going to use it under heavy load? (CPU will be running 100% load for 4-8 hours - 3d Rendering..)

Hi,

It's not the chipset (H77) which affects this, it's the power circuits & components in the motherboard. If you get a good quality H77 board it should be fine, & you can save some $.

I would look for a nice long warranty

 

[simplynluv]

Hi,

It's not the chipset (H77) which affects this, it's the power circuits & components in the motherboard. If you get a good quality H77 board it should be fine, & you can save some $.

I would look for a nice long warranty

HI there thanks for your reply

I'm actually thinking again

is 3770 will be working better compared to Sandy Bridge CPU?
is it reliable for working under 100 % load?

Ivy Bridge VS Sandy Bridge...
dunno which one will better

I wont OC since I'm scared I 'll tear up the components
:biggrin:

 

[bononos]

HI there thanks for your reply

I'm actually thinking again

is 3770 will be working better compared to Sandy Bridge CPU?
is it reliable for working under 100 % load?

Ivy Bridge VS Sandy Bridge...
dunno which one will better

I wont OC since I'm scared I 'll tear up the components
:biggrin:

The 3770 is an Ivy Bridge. As for reliability, its going to be as reliable as any Sandy I suppose. The advantage of IB is that its slightly faster and significantly cooler. AT had a preview of the 3770k and the benchmarks might be of interest, not a full review with 3d sw performance though.

Its a good idea not to overclock in your case since you're actually using it for real work and running it pretty hard.

I would check to see if the mb (that you intend to get) has heatsinks over the vrms (near the cpu socket) and has a decent number of power phases. Low end Asus boards are generally not worth the money as they usually overpriced/underspeced compared to other brands.

 

[simplynluv]

The 3770 is an Ivy Bridge. As for reliability, its going to be as reliable as any Sandy I suppose. The advantage of IB is that its slightly faster and significantly cooler. AT had a preview of the 3770k and the benchmarks might be of interest, not a full review with 3d sw performance though.

Its a good idea not to overclock in your case since you're actually using it for real work and running it pretty hard.

I would check to see if the mb (that you intend to get) has heatsinks over the vrms (near the cpu socket) and has a decent number of power phases. Low end Asus boards are generally not worth the money as they usually overpriced/underspeced compared to other brands.

HI there, thanks for your reply

I will try to read more articles around meanwhile
I plan to get either H77 PRO or Z77 Pro Boards (preferable Z77 Pro Boards)
I think 3770 or 2600 (depending my decision later on which one is more reliable) will be my target

I'm trying to get GTX680 meanwhile..
in Singapore they sell these cards for crazy prices..
it will be around 700USD
the higher price will be applied as well on Z77 boards and IB I suppose..

I will be waiting for more people to reply..

Thanks again dude

 

[mfenn]

The processor itself has next to no impact on the reliability of the PC. Other parts like the mobo, RAM, and HDD are much more likely to fail.

Also, a GTX 680 (or really any super high end card) is a waste in 3D modeling programs unless you deal with VERY complex scenes.

 

[simplynluv]

The processor itself has next to no impact on the reliability of the PC. Other parts like the mobo, RAM, and HDD are much more likely to fail.

Also, a GTX 680 (or really any super high end card) is a waste in 3D modeling programs unless you deal with VERY complex scenes.

are you sure bro?
the processor will be working on 100% nonstop for 6-12 hours (err.. I do a rendering in 2000+ x 3000+ resolutions, sometimes I even go higher if necessary)
since what I understand is, the one doing the rendering is processor..

as for the GTX 680, yeah.. sometimes I'm doing a complex models.. hotel lounge that has a lot of windows.. or do you think GTX 580 will do bro?

I check GTX 680 - the price is absolutely killing me >.<
can afford for 580 though...
580 enough bro?

 

[richaron]

are you sure bro? the processor will be working on 100% nonstop for 6-12 hours (err.. I do a rendering in 2000+ x 3000+ resolutions, sometimes I even go higher if necessary) since what I understand is, the one doing the rendering is processor.. as for the GTX 680, yeah.. sometimes I'm doing a complex models.. hotel lounge that has a lot of windows.. or do you think GTX 580 will do bro? I check GTX 680 - the price is absolutely killing me >.< can afford for 580 though... 580 enough bro?

A CPU's life usually depends on how how HOT it is & for how long (I would even guess SB will last longer). A good heatsink & fan can easily keep the temps down, even at 100% usage.

The CPU at 100% means the power components in the PSU & on the motherboard are working hard. There are a lot of components, which are harder to cool, & are sometimes just bad quality. They will probably die first.

A CPU working hard means RAM is working hard. Your RAM has many more transistors, on many more IC's, with many more connections between them. The number of IC's also means it's harder cool them all properly. One of your RAM sticks will probably die first.

A computer working 24/7 means HDD is also on, this has a mechanical arm. It will probably die first.

I know a lot of the professional software use OpenCL or CUDA plugins to do rendering on your GPU anyway. In which case you want to save money on the CPU/motherboard, & get a 580 (or even a quadro card... that's what they're for).

 

[mfenn]

are you sure bro?
the processor will be working on 100% nonstop for 6-12 hours (err.. I do a rendering in 2000+ x 3000+ resolutions, sometimes I even go higher if necessary)
since what I understand is, the one doing the rendering is processor..

as for the GTX 680, yeah.. sometimes I'm doing a complex models.. hotel lounge that has a lot of windows.. or do you think GTX 580 will do bro?

I check GTX 680 - the price is absolutely killing me >.<
can afford for 580 though...
580 enough bro?

Yes I'm sure, bro. I have hundreds of machines at work that have been working at 100% nonstop for several years straight, and I very rarely have a CPU fail. The RAM, motherboard, and HDDs fail far more often (for the reasons that richaron described).

A GTX 580 is still probably overkill, remember that a GPU essentially has no affect on actual rendering, it's only the preview that uses it. Do you have issues where your preview runs at a low framerate?

 

[simplynluv]

Yes I'm sure, bro. I have hundreds of machines at work that have been working at 100% nonstop for several years straight, and I very rarely have a CPU fail. The RAM, motherboard, and HDDs fail far more often (for the reasons that richaron described).

A GTX 580 is still probably overkill, remember that a GPU essentially has no affect on actual rendering, it's only the preview that uses it. Do you have issues where your preview runs at a low framerate?

I see
thanks for the explanation Mr Richaron and Mr Mfenn - it helps me much
:biggrin:

alright, so which one you think will be better then?
Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge for this rendering matters?

I think I will take GTX 580 then.. yeah, I have an issues with it - my GTX 275 ( I did tried GTX 480 from a friend of mine - better frame rate but still lag) is not doing well for my current projects (3ds Max file size 2.6GB - a lot of windows and details of metal structure is killing my GTX 275 I guess)

and I would like to try to use iRay - I see the rendering result is pretty good, but it needs a graphic cards with a lot of cuda cores..

:biggrin:

so I guess I will pick up:

Ivy Bridge i7 3770 (nonK)
Z77 Boards (preferable Asus - P8Z77 V Pro)
Corsair Dominator Dual Channel 16GB
Asus GTX 580 Direct CU II
Cooler Master V6GT (or something that has same/better performance)
1TB HDD
with Seasonic/ CM / Corsair 850 watt Power Supply
a good DVD RW


case - HAF 912 Advanced white color

Peripherals:
Corsair K 60 Keyboard (I dunno why.. I love how it looks)
any Good Mice for working
any good 23" LED monitors - 1920 x 1080p


err.... I guess its like that?

 

[bononos]

Post #2 by lehtv had some good tips- - H77 mb (not Z77) which is cheaper - cheaper 1600 memory instead of corsair dominator - 80+ bronze by seasonic 650W if you are not going to sli video cards

 

[simplynluv]

Scared will burn out if I use other brands for Rams
Last time I did use Kingston, it burns!

duh..
>.<

 

[mfenn]

Post #2 by lehtv had some good tips- - H77 mb (not Z77) which is cheaper - cheaper 1600 memory instead of corsair dominator - 80+ bronze by seasonic 650W if you are not going to sli video cards

:thumbsup:

Scared will burn out if I use other brands for Rams
Last time I did use Kingston, it burns!

duh..
>.<

Fancy heatspreaders don't really have any correlation with failure rates.

 

[bononos]

Scared will burn out if I use other brands for Rams
Last time I did use Kingston, it burns!

duh..
>.<

You can stick with corsair and crucial which are a good brands but switch to a different model instead of the expensive dominator, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233198
Also look for ram which uses 1.5v instead of 1.6-1.65v since you are worried about things heating up and you are running your pc intensively.

 

[simplynluv]

You can stick with corsair and crucial which are a good brands but switch to a different model instead of the expensive dominator, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233198
Also look for ram which uses 1.5v instead of 1.6-1.65v since you are worried about things heating up and you are running your pc intensively.

Yes!

thanks man!

:biggrin: