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Bushman5

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Ok currently my system specs are

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Ultra
Sapphire X800 Pro 256
Athlon 64 3000+

My goal is to Oc the Processor to 2.5 Ghz.

Id like advice on a Cooler for the cpu 1 Gb of ram and a PSU.

This is what ive choosen so far. Reason im asking is because i read on the official stick that i should be able to do it with value 3200 ram please reccomend cause people say my board is very tricky and picky about ram and other parts and since i live so far away i cant affor to be wrong.


RAM : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...=Memory+System+Memory&CMP=OTC-d3alt1me

Power Supply: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817189003
 

theMan

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cooling- the xp-90 works great. also, the xp-120 is better for a bit more $$$. as for the fan, i would get this for the xp-90. its really quiet, and has good airflow. thats what i have.

for the ram, how much are you willing to spend? I would get some ocz gold pc3200

for the psu i would get the Seasonic S12. that xclio looks ok, but i noticed it has only 70% efficiency, which means it will get hot. the hotter the psu, the lower power output. get something with like, 85% efficiency.
 

peleejosh

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Originally posted by: theman
cooling- the xp-90 works great. also, the xp-120 is better for a bit more $$$. as for the fan, i would get this for the xp-90. its really quiet, and has good airflow. thats what i have.

for the ram, how much are you willing to spend? I would get some ocz gold pc3200

for the psu i would get the Seasonic S12. that xclio looks ok, but i noticed it has only 70% efficiency, which means it will get hot. the hotter the psu, the lower power output. get something with like, 85% efficiency.



lol i use that fan with my xp-90 as well, but when i suggest it, people say "eww its white". Personally i like the white.
 

Bushman5

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The goal is to see if i can use cheaper ram to achieve 2.5 ghz out of my 3000+ athlon 64
 

Bushman5

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Notes i dont care how loud my pc is all im conserned about is cooling it as much as possible and getting it to about 2.5 ghz

Im willing to spend about 250 but only if i must. if i can sopend 150 on ram and still get my pc to around 2.5 ghz im happy. This pc performs really good using 512 lame ass 2t timing rams.
 

peleejosh

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yeah ram doesnt matter much on a64. I would buy the cheapest you can find and run it on a divider.
 

Bushman5

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any suggestions of a good pair of ram. it must however let me cpu OC t 2.4 GHZ and like i said my board is a picky sob.
 

theMan

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you dont need 2gb. waste. if you arent concerned about sound, get a super tornado fan. dont get that ram, i dont like mine as much as i would like to like it. dividers dont have any effect on A64 systems, its ok if you cant run 1:1. i would find something that has really good latency.
 

Bushman5

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soooooooooo i should get the patriot o_O what about the sticky post where it says those TCCD RAM only provide maby 3% more performance than these vlue rams on A64 systems
 

birdpup

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For a heatsink, I recommend the Thermaltake CL-P0006 Pipe 101. In my opinion, this heatsink is the superior air cooling option available due to its overall design, material, surface area, and replaceable fan. The copper material provides the best thermal coefficient for heat transfer, a large amount of surface area is provided close to the heatsink base, where it is needed the most and without overly relying on copper pipes to transfer the heat to the top of the fin's surface, and any 90mm fan may be used for cooling, which provides for easy replacement in case of fan failure. This is what I use. Drawback is that a review I read states the large number and resulting closeness of the cooling fins creates difficulty for the air to be pushed between the fins. This results in decreased thermal efficiency with lower fan speeds. However, this is an asset if you do not care about noise and will not reduce the fan speed with a fan controller. My priority is a cool CPU, not a quiet case. My overclocked AMD64 3000+ Venice at 1.55 volts is at 32C Idle and 43C full load.

For a heatsink fan, I recommend the Thermaltake TT-9025A-2B 90mm. In my opinion, this fan is better for cooling because it does not have the slotted sides. The slotted sides on a fan, such as the one recommended above by others, makes the fan quieter but this is because air slips out the sides, which makes the fan less efficient in pushing the air where you want it to go. I suppose this decreased efficiency may not matter if cpu temps are able to stay low but I do not have such a setup for comparison.

I do not know what to recommend for memory but I selected the PDP Patriot PDC1G3200LLK. Someone in another thread recommended the G.Skill and somewhere in one of these threads Zebo (if I remember correctly and not to put words in someone else's mouth) recommended anything Crucial or Crucial Ballistix.

I was able to get my PDP Patriot RAM up to 230MHz and am currently running it at 225 on a 266/400 memory divider at 2-2-2-5 1T settings with 2.60 volts. Considering the AMD64 onboard memory controller and the possibility the cpu may not access memory on each clock cycle anyway, I consider this to be near perfect results for the $130 they cost me. But I do not know if the $100, or lower, RAM can perform equally.

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Thermaltake states that the white fan with slotted sides can push 52CFM and mine pushes 56CFM. If that is correct, such minimally decreased efficiency may not be important considering the noise reduction.

Also, I just realized the heatsink I use (CL-P0006) may actually reduce cooling efficiency due to its broad base as compared to the elevated fins provided in some of the other heatsinks due to the fact the air needs someplace to go. My heatsink requires the air to be pushed down and then forced out the sides, whereas the elevated fins in other designs with a smaller base allow the air to be pushed through the fins with less effort. That may allow for a quieter fan to obtain similar cooling effects, but I wonder about relative surface area. Surface area is necessary for heat transfer, the more the better, and the CL-P0006 appears to possess more surface area than the others and this is why I purchased it. I wish the manufacturers would list surface area specifications with their products because this is a key component in heat transfer.
 

birdpup

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Bushman5 Have you taken a look at the "Which is better?" thread with OP Inspector Jihad? There is some good information provided there.
peleejosh What are your temperatures with the Thermalright xp-90?
 

Vegitto

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Can't you read? It says:
AMD64 3000+ Venice skt939, 1800@2610 Mhz, 290Mhz HTT, 3x LDT
So that means the original speed was 1800 MHz, and his speed (overclocked) is 2610 MHz. I might add that this overclock is impressive.
 

birdpup

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No problem with the question. All the numbers, specifications, codes, slang, and acronyms can be confusing. I have overclocked my 3000+ Venice to 2610MHz (290x9) stable, but for a reason I cannot exactly explain, I felt better bringing it down slightly to 2592MHz (288x9). These settings require a 2/3 (266/400) memory divider. My system may run longer with a 5/6 (333/400) memory divider at 2403MHz (267x9), but this requires an overall slower setting. I am still deciding between the two settings. You can click the link in my signature to see my system components and you can find my post in the Venice OCing thread!.

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In regards to Vegitto, I thank you for adding that my overclock appears impressive. The processor, motherboard, and memory seemed to overclock themselves by following Zebo's guide. I do not think I did anything tricky with my setup. And I really like your hotline number for math problems.
 

peleejosh

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Originally posted by: birdpup
Bushman5 Have you taken a look at the "Which is better?" thread with OP Inspector Jihad? There is some good information provided there.
peleejosh What are your temperatures with the Thermalright xp-90?



It runs 32 idle and like 45 load with the thermaltake silent cat 9mm fan on it. That is with the pocessor overclocked to 2.64
 

peleejosh

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birdpup you said
"The slotted sides on a fan, such as the one recommended above by others, makes the fan quieter but this is because air slips out the sides, which makes the fan less efficient in pushing the air where you want it to go. I suppose this decreased efficiency may not matter if cpu temps are able to stay low but I do not have such a setup for comparison. "

But the air doesnt slip out the sides it is pulled in from the sides as well as the top, that is why it is more quiet. All of the air is pushed down through the heatsink.
 

birdpup

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I was certain the air would be pushed outwards but it is possible there are aspects to the design specific for air movement that I am not familiar with. A possibility would be the lower resistance to flow (viscosity) of air as compared to water. I trust you have actually checked this because my intuition, possibly incorrectly, tells me otherwise.

My claim is based on my knowledge of water pumps concerning clearances between the edge of the impeller and the raceway, in which large clearances reduce pump efficiency by allowing recirculation of the fluid slipping from the edge of the high pressure side of the blade back to the low pressure side. I believe these slots would allow such recirculation, thereby making the pump less efficient by pushing the fluid (air) outward. I would expect the air recirculation to actually push the air outward, and it certainly does to a small extent, but the shape of the blade probably creates a larger area behind the blade for the air to flow into. Thereby creating an overall larger inward suction than an outward pressure.

Thank you for correcting me.