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BonzaiDuck

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Noubourne wrote:
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I will be putting a Panaflo 1C Ultra High Speed 115CFM fan on a TR Ultra 120 (non-extreme) to OC my G0 Quad from NCIXUS - hopefully later tonight or tomorrow.

You certainly don't need a top of the line HSF to do mild overclocking. Even the affordable Freezer 7 Pro (much more than $15 cheaper than an TT) would do the job just fine.

The lower TDP on G0 will open up a great deal of cooling possibilities that might not work for OCs on previous steppings.
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Actually, IMHO, dealing with a toaster-processor effectively would then open up greater cooling possibilities for the frosty-processor; and greater cooling possibilities for the frosty-processor means much better over-clock settings. ;)
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: samene
Originally posted by: aigomorla


Also, my gigabyte P35-DS3P will eat my 680i any day in overclocking on a quad.

I am getting a ga-p35-ds3p and a q6600 g0. Do the coolers you recommend (Tuniq, TR 120) fit on that board without mod/probs?

the TR120 will fit on the board. The tuniq i also believe will fit on the board. I know the ultra will fit because i had one on that setup, b4 the water migration that was done to it.

My favorate boards are as follows in order: meaning what i like the most to the worst.

Gigabyte P35-DQ6
ASUS P5k deluxe
Abit IP35-E

notice how there all P35 boards? :D


Also some additional notes, the P35-DS3P doesnt come with mosfet sinks. you should go pick up some PLL sinks at jab-tech, shoppts, or sidewindercomputers.com I believe you'll need 6 total to cover all the mosfets on that board.

TR HR-03 mosfet cooler WILL NOT FIT ON THE GIGABYTE P35 Series. Trust me ive tried and failed horribly.
 

eelw

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BonzaiDuck, my C2Q is OCed to 3.1GHz with my Vcore sitting at 1.37v. My full load temps (readings from CoreTemp) are in the high 60s.
 

BonzaiDuck

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eelw -- I'd expect the temperatures to be up there with that VCORE setting.

I tried punching my system up the extra 100 Mhz with a 1.325V VCORE -- no dice, though. I'm intent on trimming the VCORE to the temperatures. I'd push them that high, but for this observation -- which I've already posted in other threads.

It may be different from processor to processor among the Q6600's, but I observe a 2 to 3C degree variation in the core temperatures at idle, which spreads out to as much as 6C and no less than a (fleeting) 5C-variation at load with milder over-clocks. With ORTHOS, the core which seems to fail first is the warmest of the four.

Cores 0 and 1 are on the high side -- for instance right now I'm cert-ing an overclock setting at a lower voltage and 72-73F room ambient, and the core-0 is at 52, core-1 at 50, while core-2 and core-3 are at 47 and 48 respectively.

With higher room ambients and higher over-clocks, I'll see core--0 at 56 or 57 and core 2 at 50. There's no doubt in my mind that bumping up the VCORE increases the discrete variance in temperatures, and it's always core 0 that fails if the settings aren't right for the target speed.

It's good enough to get a rock-stable setting at 3.001 Ghz with the stock multiplier of 9, and it runs cool enough. I'm just ambivalent about the B3 stepping with these variations.

If there were no variations, or if load values with the current VCORE were (by example) 52,51,50,50 -- I might expect the variation to grow with higher clocks, but I think I could push the whole enchilada to a higher settings and with less increase in the VCORE.

I checked to see if the cooler was seated properly. Initially, I found the heatpipes had bent the copper fins on my motherboard's mosfet "heatpipe-necklace," and noticed that twisting it resulted in a clicking sound and a feeling that the base had ridden up on some object. But reseating it carefully, I find the same variation among core temperatures.

For those who might pick up on this -- The Ultra-120-Extreme doesn't seem to have a problem fitting on a lot of motherboards, but it is possible to screw down the securing bracket leaving the cooler a tad off-center this way or that way, and the clearances can be so narrow that one should take a little care with it.
 

Noubourne

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Stock volts and clocks on my G0 with a TR Ultra 120 and an undervolted Panaflo at about 800RPM gives me 46, 46, 51, 52 full load for 10+hrs.

I will have more OC data tonight that I will post in the CPU section in the Q6600 OC thread.

The Ultra 120 would do the job just fine with any old 120mm fan.
 

BonzaiDuck

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My baseline stock temperatures at 75F room-ambient are lower than any I've seen on this forum since we began this and other related discussions. I have ducted my motherboard, VGA cooler and CPU cooler in a pressurized case to twin Sanyo Denki San Ace 0.52A fans, so don't feel bad.

I want to add some comments here, of a sort of editorial nature.

To capture an additional 100 Mhz of processor speed, I make an educated guess that you've raised your VCORE about twice as far to get from 3.0 to 3.1 in comparison to the stable VCORE settings going from 2.9 to 3.0. Your load temperatures -- I assume your room-ambient is 80F or less (and I sweat profusely at 76F) -- range through -- and into -- the high-60s. Your VCORE at 3.1 is about 0.04V higher than mine at 3.0, but my VCORE at 3.0 is only 0.01V higher than my VCORE at 2.9 Ghz.

Another of our members recently blew his 680i motherboard, and now claims (I paraphrase for dramatic effect) that the 680i chipset is "for s***."

On Sunday, I met with my 1960's college-days dorm-hall brothers for a reunion in an LA suburb. Two of them are plasma-physicists. We casually discussed -- mostly for my benefit -- the issues.

"Heat dissipated increases by the square of the voltage divided by the square(?) of the resistance."

Ceteris paribus, electrical circuits conduct electricity better at lower temperatures. Thus, phase-change cooling and liquid nitrogen, refrigeration, evaporative coolers in water-loops, and high-wattage TEC-chillers. This also implies that lower temperatures allow greater electrical efficiency and higher clock-speeds with the same amount of power (and voltage) or less.

In consideration thereof, but with independent implications, both heat and voltage cause CPUs to degrade or fail over time. Voltage creates heat, but voltage by itself can cause failure and degradation.

The implications of the parabolic relationship between voltage and resistance, resistance and heat, heat and efficiency, suggest to me that we should limit our over-clocking vcore settings to a region with an upper-bound determined just at a point where a disproportionate increase in voltage is required to achieve an equal increase in speed, with due consideration to the point where voltage increases suddenly promote disproportionate increases in temperature.

Water-cooling, or any method which can bring load temperatures within a sliver of room-ambients will significantly allow the use of lower voltages to make the same level of over-clocks, and within the range of voltage increases that I advocate here, slight increases in voltage will yield higher over-clock settings that are stable.

That being said, you cannot water-cool to the limit of room-ambient while overwhelming the circuitry with voltages that go way beyond the intended factory voltage spec. And to blame the chipset or motherboard manufacturer just seems to exhibit a state of denial. As much as we may have budgets for frequent processor and motherboard replacements, I personally do not believe it makes sense to carelessly shorten the longevity of hardware to a few months, when it was intended to last several years at stock settings, and may last a majority of those years with carefully chosen over-clock settings.

This also holds for air-cooling. So again, you can cool down your processor to a point where a lower voltage supports the same clock setting and stability. You might then be able to raise the voltage again to its previous level and get higher over-clocks. But just because you can raise it even more to achieve "extreme" over-clocks while keeping the temperature from rising too much, it is possible to overwhelm the circuitry with too much voltage even as you may have lowered resistance through cooler temperatures.