need data only from W98 HD

[letter rip]

I tried plugging the W98 h/d into the second position on the primary cable of the xp machine, set the jumper to slave....ended up messing up the ntldr and ntdetect files on the xp machine. Now that's fixed, is there a certain way to plug that W98 drive in so I can get the data only...don't care about dual boot...will just wipe the drive when done anyway.
Thanks in advance,
rip

 

[FlyingPenguin]

I'm going to guess that your XP system's primary drive is a Western Digital or some other brand that has TWO SEPERATE jumper settings for master: "single master" and "master with slave". If you connected a slave without using the proper setting on the master drive, the drives would be unreadabale or (under some situations) readable but corrupt,

First of all on any modern system your drives should ALWAYS be jumper CS (not master or slave).

Secondly, to be cautious, always connect the 2nd drive to the 2nd IDE ribbon BY ITSELF. Usually your CD Rom is connected to this ribbon. Just disconnect it and connect the drive by itself jumpered as CS.

The drive should appear in My Computer and you can just copy anything you want from it.

 

[letter rip]

Cool. thanks so much. It is a WD. I'll make sure both are CS.

 

[Slickone]

If his W98 drive is FAT, would XP read it OK? And could you copy back and forth between it and his XP drive, assuming it's NTFS?

Also when did CS become the recommended setting? W/ NTFS? It used to be said (Win9x/FAT?) to never use it.

 

[CrispyFried]

Years ago cs support was iffy. All modern mobos/cables/drives support it now.

XP reads fat16/32 fine and will copy in both directions.

 

[Slickone]

How modern would it need to be? Someone said to remove the jumper from the DVDROM drive on my KT266A chipset mobo since I have a problem with the drive light flashing sometimes. I'm wondering if I should move it to CS instead of just removing it. It's on master now.

What about BX chipset mobos?

 

[FlyingPenguin]

I'd use CS on any mobo made in the last 4 years. Yes, BX chipsets all worked fine with CS with rare exceptions.

 

[Slickone]

I'll try it.

My BH6 (BX) mobo came out over 7 years ago.

 

[Slickone]

I tried switching both of my optical drives to cable select, but got a blue screen when I booted. In the BIOS, one drive (master) shows up with a garbage name. The slave shows no drive at all.
These are both on the secondary IDE channel. I didn't put my HDD, on the primary chan., to cable select. Is that necessary?

 

[sivart]

the drive that you want to boot on should be on the primary IDE on the end of the cable. Why not just use the master / slave settings? I have seen some boards that don't like cable select and some that must have it.

 

[FlyingPenguin]

Garbage names for the drive in BIOS are usually an indication of either bad drive electronics, or a bad or dirty IDE ribbon cable. Swap out the ribbon cable and try again.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: FlyingPenguin
Garbage names for the drive in BIOS are usually an indication of either bad drive electronics, or a bad or dirty IDE ribbon cable. Swap out the ribbon cable and try again.

I tried a couple other IDE cables, including one that was brand new, never used out of the box of my DVDRW drive that I haven't installed yet. Still had garbage listed for the secondary slave drive (Lite On CDRW) in BIOS when using cable select. But I tried a rounded 80pin cable someone gave me and it works fine. It's 36" though so I'd like to get another one. So is an 80pin Ultra ATA cable required to use cable select, even when only using optical drives?
Secondary IDE is set to 'DMA if available' for both devices, and current transfer mode shows 'multi word DMA mode 2'. That normally shouldn't require an 80 pin cable.


I started having problems where I couldn't play DVD's in my Toshiba DVDROM secondary master, but this may have fixed it, depending on if it was a sporatic problem or not, which I dont know. Also it might fix this problem.

Strange how things like this can work for a long time then decide not to!?

 

[FlyingPenguin]

80 conductor is not required for CS. DMA mode 2 is ATA33 which does not require an 80 conductor ribbon. You may just have an old enough mobo that it's fussy about CS. If it works okay with the drives configured as master and slave go with that.

My guess would be that the extra shielding of the 80 conductor cable is reducing signal noise on the ribbon. I only use 80 conductor cables for everything nowadays just for the extra shielding even if they're not required since they're cheap.

The other problem you linked to (drive flashing an unresponsive then changes letter) sounds like the drive is being lost and then re-detected. Whenever Windows re-detects a drive it defaults to the next available drive letter. Certainly could be related to a communications problem with the ribbon.

 

[Slickone]

I think I had looked and whenever the drive light flashing problem happened, it would still use the correct drive letter (E), but maybe I'm wrong. Are you saying, when Windows redetects it, it might have been trying to use the same drive letter as my other optical (F, which is the next letter).

It's an Epox 8KHA+ (KT266A) which came out in 2001. If you said CS should work on an old BX chipset (which I haven't tried on that one yet), surely it should work on this.?

Everything seems to be OK so far, but I'll have to reboot a few times to check. Then see if it's the 80pin cable that corrected it, or changing to cable select.
And yeah I need to order some 80pin cables. Do you use rounded ones? That's all some places sell now.

 

[Fern]

And yeah I need to order some 80pin cables

They are all 40pin. Its just that the newer ones have 80 wires/conducters, but still just 40pins.

 

[Slickone]

I'm still having a problem getting sound from my DVDROM. It used to work fine. Any ideas?

Originally posted by: Fern

And yeah I need to order some 80pin cables

They are all 40pin. Its just that the newer ones have 80 wires/conducters, but still just 40pins.

Yep your right, and I clearly knew that. Don't know why I kept saying 80 pin.

 

[Slickone]

I'm still having a problem getting sound from my DVDROM when playing DVDs. It used to work fine.

I've tried reversing the plug direction on the mobo header.
The CD player mute box is unchecked in the windows volume controls.
What could it be?
This is with Power DVD. I can't get WMP10 to play DVDs anymore for some reason.

 

[Slickone]

No, flashing light problem is still happening. And can't eject when that happens. As noted in the other thread, it's doesn't stop (until reboot). One long flash then one short flash, pause, flash again... Like it's sending a signal.

 

[FlyingPenguin]

I'm at a loss. Have you eliminated the possibility that it's just a bad drive?

What I meant by the drive letter is that if you change the drive letter on CD Drive F to, say, R, and then later Winodws redetects it as a new device for some reason (like if you upgrade the firmware) Windows will revert back to making it the next available letter.

 

[cubby1223]

If the OP is still paying attention, could the new harddrive be ATA/66 or faster, and the old ATA/33 or slower? Them on the same cable can still cause problems on new systems.

As for cable select, I'm pretty sure you need a "cable select cable". All the ones I've seen one of the wires has been notched out (shorted) on the cable between the drive connecters and the motherboard connector. I always toss out those cables with the notches, and always set them master / slave. It works, and it works well. That's just me, though.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
If the OP is still paying attention, could the new harddrive be ATA/66 or faster, and the old ATA/33 or slower? Them on the same cable can still cause problems on new systems.

As for cable select, I'm pretty sure you need a "cable select cable". All the ones I've seen one of the wires has been notched out (shorted) on the cable between the drive connecters and the motherboard connector. I always toss out those cables with the notches, and always set them master / slave. It works, and it works well. That's just me, though.

I'm curious about what notched cables you're talking about. Anyone?

Also I've never heard of ATA/33 & 66 drives on the same cable causing problems other than the 66 being slowed down to 33 speed.