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Need advice on storage ...

XBoxLPU

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I have a spare box that will be used purely for file storage for the two other PCs on the network. Speed is not a concern ( well at least 7200RPM drives ). FYI, I and a friend will be moving into an apartment together soon with high speed internet ( I have had 56k since 98', so w00t ) so I know we will be downloading lots of files. So a central box for all our files would be very nice IMO

But I am not sure what to do for storage ...

The current case at most will hold 3-4 HDs ( if even that ) but I kinda am concerned about the heat.
Raid 1 ?
4 X 250gb would nice but I do not have that kind of cash at the moment. I was hoping to buy just one 250gb and buy them as I needed them but .... if I do a Raid 1.... I would need all the drives from start, ?


Advice

Thanks
 
I think you can add raid1 on the fly(never tried it though). I KNOW that raid0 needs both up front. Why raid 1 ? Worried about a drive going bad ? If you could get 3 drives, even if they were 160 (the wd 160 for $59 after rebate are common) and an aftermarket raid5 controller, you get the best of both worlds. You only loose some of the storage, and still a drive can fail.
 
why are you going with raid? heres a quick rundown on raid just so you can be sure that that is what you want:
raid 0 (striping): make two drives look like one with ~ drive1+drive2 capacity. raid controller splits up the data between the drives so it can pull it back faster
raid 1 (mirroring): makes two drives look like one with drive1 capacity. used for backing up data
raid 0+1: take 4 drives, mirrors the striped raid array. has ~drive1+drive2 capacity and drive3 and drive4 for backup
raid 5: takes 3 drives, has ~drive1+drive2 capacity. drive3 stores a parity bit so if one drive goes bad, can automatically restore the drive that went bad.

for a storage server just for files at my house, i dont use any raid. unless you are on a big network, raid 0 wont do you any good and unless you are looking to store really important files that need some sort of backup solution, you really dont need raid 1 or raid 5.

hope this helps
 
Thanks, I think I will be going with 3 more 160gb HDs and add the one in my current box. 160gb HDs at newegg = ~$100 X 3 = $300 for 640 gb of total which should be adequate

I was thinking Raid 1, yes if a drive fails and just for backup sakes .... am I wrong ? Or is that just Raid 5 ??
 
I don't know if setting up a RAID array for this sort of thing is nessicary.

How much do you want to spend protecting information that you download from the internet in the first place?

Your going to be more then doubling your cost per gig of storage. You have to have a extra controller card and two drives for raid one, so thats 100+100+50=250 for the same amount of storage you get from a 100 dollar drive. For RAID 5 you have to get 3 disks, but you get the capacity of 2 disks and increase in performance. However the controller cards that can do RAID 5 properly are more expensive, then regular consumer-grade RAID cards.

RAID 0 is the one that does it for performance only. You take 2 drives and stripe the data accross both of them, the thing is that if you loose one drive you loose the data on both drives.

Anyways any performance benifit is going to be lossed because the network, even 200Mb/s running full duplex 100mb/s thru a switch is going to be slower then a single drive buy itself. (regular 7200rpm drive gives you 45MB/s or so of sustained data speeds with DMA/ATA133 stuff properly setup. 200Mb/s = 25MB/s)

Why not get a DVD drive? You get 4.7 gigs per disk, probably much more if you run aggressive compression. Even at 4.7gigs uncompressed you can get 470gigs of long-term non-volitile storage for around 70 bucks.

Think about this: You get the cheapest CPU you can get, put it in a decent no-frills motherboard. Any past 1gig is plenty. Get 3 of those 200GB drives and a DVD burner. Install a very basic installation of Fedora Linux or Debian or Slackware linux. Give the storage partitions a high quality and fast journalling filesystem like XFS. And then slap a high-quality UPS on it.

You can run a con script to update (for security patches and such) your OS every other thrusday night at 4am (for example) and then occasionally manually backup your newly downloaded stuff to DVDs and stick them in a shoebox.

With a decent router/firewall for network security you can get basicly a extra network based 600gig drive that will be virus and worm immune, your files will be immune from power outages and crashes that occure on your Desktop. And in the event that somebody decides that it would be a good idea to play drunk master kungfu artist and drop-kick your server, then you have the entire thing stored safely away in a box in your closet.

All that for right around 700 bucks. A raid setup with the same storage capacity is only going to much more expensive with very little performance benifit.

I mean it's not like the information stored on the server is of any real critical importance is it, if it's just downloads and stuff? Anything realy important you backup to CD or DVD immediately.
 
raid 5 clarification: yes one drive for parity, but say you have 10 drives, then you use one for the parity, and 9 for storage, (approx). so it is more efficient than raid1. In my case I have 5 18.4 gig drives, and I have 67 gig usable.
 
Thanks Drag 🙂

I will not be doing raid

I just have to decide on which hard drives to order but I will figure that out myself

And Drag, I have a dvd burner in my box so that will be no problem. As well as I already have a spare machine, XP 1700 + @ 2ghz, AN35N and 128mb of PC2100 Memory ( may upgrade that ....)



Thanks again guys
 
Just keep in mind that I am a damn cheap bastard, so that kinda colors my opinion about spending more money then I absolutely have too.. 😉
 
Having lost drives on the home file server, I'd say RAID is very worth it. Software RAID 5 isn't bad for storage.
 
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