Need advice for buying HDTV

amol

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My parents have finally had it with our 11-year-old Mitsu RPTV and want to get a new TV before mid-December and we're going to be looking this week.

Their budget is in the $4000 give or take a couple hundred range, but the size of the TV is limited by our living room. My guess is the most we can fit is about 55-58".

A couple of necessities:
-Flat panel (plasma or LCD)
-load of inputs

1080p would be nice, but considering that not many stations are broadcasting in it (if any at all), not a necessity

edit: Anyone with a Bravia or Aquos, if you can share your experiences with them, please do!

edit2: Samsung LN-S5296D 52" LCD - anyone have any experience with one?
 

edro

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In the $4000 range, you can get about anything you want. Bravia and Aquos are supposedly the best quality right now.
 

VTHodge

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I would start in a store and compare picture. Find a few you like and then go read online reviews and compare prices. If you want > 50" you are talking plasma.
 

her209

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I think someone just came out with a 100+" plasma for only $50,000.
 

Snakexor

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if glare is not an issue then a pioneer 5071/5070 variant :)

best picture, uhhhh, period at that price range.
 

amol

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Originally posted by: VTHodge
I would start in a store and compare picture. Find a few you like and then go read online reviews and compare prices. If you want > 50" you are talking plasma.

What about the Aquos LCD line?
 

VTHodge

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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: VTHodge
I would start in a store and compare picture. Find a few you like and then go read online reviews and compare prices. If you want > 50" you are talking plasma.

What about the Aquos LCD line?

I don't know much about it. I was speaking in very general terms obviously. There may be some LCDs larger than 50".
 

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Pick up this month's Consumer Reports at a grocery store. They're reviewing HDTVs. It's a start.
 

EvilYoda

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I personally don't like the large 1080p Aquos panels, they greatly underperform for what I've seen. At that size and price...I would go Elite 80% of the time w/o question. But I could be called a slight "fanboi"...otherwise I'd go with a Sony XBR at that size.
 

SLCentral

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Okay, first off, what's the lighting situation in that room?

If you have a lot light, definetly go with an LCD. Even if it means you need to get a smaller TV, you want to have an LCD. You don't want your picture to be ruined with glare, which'll just drive you crazy.

IMO, unless you game a lot, there's no other reason other then lighting to go with LCD. Plasma packs a much crisper, detailed picture, and while it's two different "tastes," I don't think you can go wrong with plasma. If you like a more subdued picture that's a bit more "relaxed," go with LCD. If you like punch in your picture, plasma is what you want.

If you want to go above a 46", I'd say go with plasma for sure. An exception would be the Sharp 52" Aquos 1080p set, which is $4K MSRP, but as to what they go for online, I'm not sure. If you're going to go with a plasma, a 50" set would be nice, and a Pioneer would be pretty kick ass. If the Pioneer's cost too much in your book (their 1080p plasma is $8K, the non-Elite 720p one is around $4K), I really like the way the Samsung 50" plasmas are performing (not their higher end one, I'm liking their lower-end one for price vs. performance). The higher end model will give you a CableCard slot, which sucks at this point b/c of lack of PPV and OnDemand, plus gen1 problems, as well as an additional HDMI and better post processing. That processing will help out the SD picture quality quite a bit, but lets face it, most people watch mostly HD on an HD set. At least I do :p.

If you're not a Samsung guy, I'd say check out Panasonic next. Their 50", as well as their 58" sets are quite sexy, and def. something that I'd be interested in. I'd say stick with the 60U opposed to the 600U...not worth the price difference IMO. The Hitachi 55" plasma is real nice. They just launched their 06/07 line, and the 55" actually swivels by pressing a button on the remote with a built-in motor. Useless, but cool as hell nonetheless. Quality is def. up there, but because of my personal preference, I really like the Samsung. From what I've noticed, Samsung tends to over-embelish their reds a little bit, but I don't really find that to be bad...I think it gives a nice punch to the picture.

If you're def. set with LCD, then I'd check out the Samsung's. I'm not a big fan of the Sony XBR line, just b/c I find Sony to be a shady, overpriced brand to begin with, so yeah, I'm a bit biased. Samsungs 4095 or 4096 40" LCD's (both are 1080p) are nice, but the 4092, which is 720p, actually looks better, IMO. They also have the 46" as well, but I find that their 46" non-1080p set doesn't look too good compared to their 1080p one. Not sure as to why this is, but that's just what I've noticed. Samsung also makes a killer 52" LCD (which I think is 1080p) but MSRP on that is at least $5K.

If you do like Sony, check out their 46" XBR. MSRP is around $4K, and the design is nice, and the picture is nice as well, but I don't think it's worth the extra premium over either the 1080p or 720p Samsung LCD's. Of course, this is just my opinion. There really is no right or wrong in this aspect.

Either way, if the lighting can handle it, I honestly believe you'll enjoy the plasma more. I do sell TV's at Best Buy, and every time I show the Samsung 42" Plasma next to the 40/46" LCD, almost everyone likes the plasma more. The LCD is much brighter, but there's just more detail in the plasma, hands down. Of course, calibration does a lot, but you're just going to get better color in the plasma, hands down. My favorite plasmas, once again, in order, are Pioneer, Samsung, and then Panasonic and Hitachi tied. Fujitu is great, but I haven't seen their new models, though my neighbor owns their older 63" which is absolutely fantastic.

Something I really want to stress is 1080p, and it's lack of importance. Pretty much all the epxerts are saying you need at LEAST a 50" TV in order to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. A 52" may show a slight increase in quality, but honestly, I doubt you'd notice it, and if you did, you wouldn't care enough. Fact of the matter that as long as the TV deinterlaces correctly, all movies being "shown" in 1080p are equivilant to 1080i anyways, so it doesn't matter. Besides, 720p is plenty. Let's get realistic. Cable/Satellite can't even get more then 20 channels at a time in 720p. Do you really think they can handle 1080p, which takes MUCH more bandwith, anytime soon? Flat out answer? No. My bet is that it's going to be at LEAST 10 years till we see that. Blu-Ray is pumping out 1080p right now, yet with a Samsung 40" 1080p LCD, switching from 1080p and 720p shows NO difference to my eyes from a normal viewing distance. Of course, once again, my opinion.

You may want to save some money on the actual TV and go with a wall mounting solution as well. Wall mounting is probably one of the coolest ways you could set up a TV, and it looks KICK ASS once its all said and done. Most people just get a tilting mount, but full motion mounts are available, which atually let you move the TV all around, swiveling, tilting, pulling it out, etc. It really makes it look amazing.

Phew. If you have any more questions, feel free to post or PM me :).


 
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
If you're willing to consider LCoS I would seriously consider the Sony SXRD which is $#@! beautiful.

Rear projections are not worth it IMO. I had a friend buy a 52" rear projection LCD simply because they wanted more size. My 46" Bravia XBR2 kills it ANYDAY.

SLCentral brings up a few good points, but you should only be considering 1080p at this stage. For $4000, we got a Sony Bravia XBR2 46" (a ltitle under 4000 even), and now that Sony cut prices by another $400 I think you can easily get better deals.

I think 1080p and 720p is a hgue difference. Even if it isn't in quality and we won't have 1080p TV yet, a lot of things will be 1080p soon. YOu're not going to upgrade your TV just like your graphics card. IT's basically an INVESTMENT. You might as well stick with 1080p so that one day when 1080p content is everywhere, at least you can play it. Sure you can get a 720p TV and say "Hey it's just as good!" today, but when tomorrow rolls around, even if you have top notch 720p quality then which might not be the case, there's no way you can match 1080p when everyone else is getting that stuff.

Sony and Samsung use the same panels, but I went with Sony's XBR line. Word of advice: The XBR3 is always a bad buy. Sure it looks a little better than the XBR2 because of the black bezel and it has a better remote, but XBR2/XBR3 are exactly identical in all other aspects (panel, connectivity, etc), and so why spend $300 for a black bezel + better remote? Sony just announced their 52" XBR2/XBR3, but I'm guessing that's out of your budget. I don't knwo if Samsung has anything yet, but either Samsung or Sony are awesome for LCD.

If you want plasma, you have to go with Pioneer (Elite). Their 1080p is still extremely expensive, so you'll have to stick with 720p. However, if you really thing Plasmas are that much better than LCDs, go ahead. IMO, they are freaking awesome. My parents and I took forever to decide between Pioneer and Sony (Plasma vs LCD). In the end we picked the 46" XBR2, but it was a tough call. But once again, the deciding factor was 1080p. 1080p is slightly more futureproof.
 

SLCentral

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: RossMAN
If you're willing to consider LCoS I would seriously consider the Sony SXRD which is $#@! beautiful.

Rear projections are not worth it IMO. I had a friend buy a 52" rear projection LCD simply because they wanted more size. My 46" Bravia XBR2 kills it ANYDAY.

SLCentral brings up a few good points, but you should only be considering 1080p at this stage. For $4000, we got a Sony Bravia XBR2 46" (a ltitle under 4000 even), and now that Sony cut prices by another $400 I think you can easily get better deals.

I think 1080p and 720p is a hgue difference. Even if it isn't in quality and we won't have 1080p TV yet, a lot of things will be 1080p soon. YOu're not going to upgrade your TV just like your graphics card. IT's basically an INVESTMENT. You might as well stick with 1080p so that one day when 1080p content is everywhere, at least you can play it. Sure you can get a 720p TV and say "Hey it's just as good!" today, but when tomorrow rolls around, even if you have top notch 720p quality then which might not be the case, there's no way you can match 1080p when everyone else is getting that stuff.

Sony and Samsung use the same panels, but I went with Sony's XBR line. Word of advice: The XBR3 is always a bad buy. Sure it looks a little better than the XBR2 because of the black bezel and it has a better remote, but XBR2/XBR3 are exactly identical in all other aspects (panel, connectivity, etc), and so why spend $300 for a black bezel + better remote? Sony just announced their 52" XBR2/XBR3, but I'm guessing that's out of your budget. I don't knwo if Samsung has anything yet, but either Samsung or Sony are awesome for LCD.

If you want plasma, you have to go with Pioneer (Elite). Their 1080p is still extremely expensive, so you'll have to stick with 720p. However, if you really thing Plasmas are that much better than LCDs, go ahead. IMO, they are freaking awesome. My parents and I took forever to decide between Pioneer and Sony (Plasma vs LCD). In the end we picked the 46" XBR2, but it was a tough call. But once again, the deciding factor was 1080p. 1080p is slightly more futureproof.

I agree, 1080p is futureproofing. However, what's the point if theres just no difference? Like I said, if you're going 50" or bigger, sure, it doesn't hurt. But when I tested the 46" and 40" Samsung 1080p LCD's with Blu-Ray, I saw NO difference between 1080p and 720p. Ask any video expert if 1080p is needed on a TV below 50" and they will say no.

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/284986.html

In other words, the ideal viewing distance for a 42" 720p display, for example, is 7.7 feet. If you view it closer than 7.7 feet, most people will be able to see individual pixels, but at distances further than 7.7 feet, you can't see them. In the case of a 42" 1080p display, the ideal viewing distance is only 5.5 feet--beyond that, you can't see the pixels and you can't really appreciate the full resolution of the display. In other words, it would be virtually impossible to distinguish between a 42" 720p display and 42" 1080p at distances of about six feet or more. Given that many people view their televisions from 8-10 feet away (if not even more), you would have to have a 65" or larger screen to really notice the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Obviously, just my opinion, which I happen to share with the leaders in the industry ;).
 
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SLCcentral: I totally know what you mean by 720p vs 1080p being no difference at a certain viewing distance and what not.

I watch TV from nearly 20-25 feet away on my 46" screen. Yea definitely I can't tell 1080p vs 720p at that distance, and I probably couldn't even distinguish between 720i. Hell, 480p would look pretty nice too, but it's always good to get the best out there.

If he had a tighter budget, then yea, I could see him foregoing 1080p, but with $4000 to dish out, there's no reason not to get 1080p. It's almost like the dual core revolution. I Don't get why people would say "I game, so I don't know if I should go single or dual." Yes when you game you probably won't notice anything, but I'm sure it's better to go dual than single because you can always overclock, but you can't slap on another core.

You can get 720p/1080p parity at a far viewing distance, but going closer, 1080p will always win. You can't add more lines into your screen, so you might as well just start wtih more lines. You never know what you'll do with the screen.

Maybe last year, I would've agreed with 720p, but 1080p is entering every new product there is, and I see no reason why not to get it.
 

SLCentral

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
SLCcentral: I totally know what you mean by 720p vs 1080p being no difference at a certain viewing distance and what not.

I watch TV from nearly 20-25 feet away on my 46" screen. Yea definitely I can't tell 1080p vs 720p at that distance, and I probably couldn't even distinguish between 720i. Hell, 480p would look pretty nice too, but it's always good to get the best out there.

If he had a tighter budget, then yea, I could see him foregoing 1080p, but with $4000 to dish out, there's no reason not to get 1080p. It's almost like the dual core revolution. I Don't get why people would say "I game, so I don't know if I should go single or dual." Yes when you game you probably won't notice anything, but I'm sure it's better to go dual than single because you can always overclock, but you can't slap on another core.

You can get 720p/1080p parity at a far viewing distance, but going closer, 1080p will always win. You can't add more lines into your screen, so you might as well just start wtih more lines. You never know what you'll do with the screen.

Maybe last year, I would've agreed with 720p, but 1080p is entering every new product there is, and I see no reason why not to get it.

The problem is that for a TV of a larger size, such as above 46", there just isn't much chocie for a 1080p set. Sure, you have the Samsung 52" 1080p LCD which runs $5K, or the Sharp 52" Aquos 1080p LCD, which is $4K, and honestly, I'm not very impressed with. It's just much easier and logical for average viewing to grab a larger plasma, such as a 50" or even a 55". The Hitachi 55" is phenomenal, and the Pioneers are beyond words, 1080p or not.
 

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Does loads of inputs imply that you need multiple inputs of each kind? No receiver in the mix here?
 

amol

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We're looking at the Samsung LN-S5296D 52" LCD. Anyone have any experience with this or any other large Samsung LCDs?