Question Need Advice (CPU and RAM) Asus Maximus XI HERO (Wifi)

rcoops72

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So I was lucky enough to win the above mentioned motherboard in a raffle. :) My current build is 5+ years old SO IT is TIME to build a new one. I have been out of the game for some time and was looking to come to my favorite resource forum for advice.

PC will be mainly Gaming...and I would love to try Ray Tracing like on Cyberpunk 2077.. 4K monitor etc...

No worries on $ what would you guys throw into this beast of a MB?

1) CPU - Intel i9-9900K? If so....which one I see a few different models and do not understand the reason for it.

2) Memory - would love your advice as well. 16 enough or do I need 32GB? I have these in hand which I never used...are they good for this MB or should I upgrade? (G.SKILL Aegis 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel XMP 2.0 Memory Kit Model F4-3200C16D-32GIS)

I am going to keep the below two items:
* Case - Fractal Design Define R5 Black Silent ATX Midtower
* PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G2 220-G2-0650-Y1 80+ GOLD 650W Fully Modular EVGA ECO (unless I should start fresh)

I will then have to see which GPU I can afford...some are so much $$

ANY Advice is welcome and thank you in advance!

Rob
 

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1) 9900 = Not overclockable, lower base and boost clocks.
9900K = Fully unlocked and overclockable
9900KF = Fully unlocked and overclockable, no iGPU
9900KS = top bin, higher base and boost clocks, fully unlocked and overclockable

2) 16GB is enough. For games, I never go above 10ish GB usage. Video editing does push my memory usage closer to 16GB. 32GB is preferable if you plan on sticking with this setup for a while. The kit that you have is more than sufficient.

I would definitely go with a 9900K. The advantages of the KS don't justify the price premium. And having an iGPU can be useful so don't get the KF SKU.

If you buy a current gen Nvidia RTX 3000 or AMD RX 6000 graphics cards, be mindful of their power requirements. The RTX 3070 and RX 6700XT both require 650W power supplies. If you get a higher end GPU than those you will need more power.
 

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One thing not mentioned is a cooler . That cpu runs hot at all core activity and perhaps more than others in its class can use a high quality cooler. I use a Noctua which keeps the same cpu here at 36 deg on idle and just 65 degrees when running all core at 100% while respecting intel's power limits 95 Watts. If you plan to live on the cpu at say 200w there are liquid coolers to look at.

NH-D15S
 

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Thank you! Funny I just added the Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler to my PC Part Picker screen after reading a review! ha Thank you!

I just have to make sure the RAM has room to put in after the cooler is installed.

Any advice on best thermal paste now a days?
G.Skill Aegis is on the shorter side compared to other heat spreaders. It shouldn't be a problem for the Noctua heat sink clearance. I have a kit of G.Skill Flare X, which has a taller heat spreader than the Aegis, and it cleared.

It doesn't REALLY matter what thermal paste you use, as long as it isn't no-name garbage. If you don't already have a tube of some paste, the paste that comes with the Noctua cooler (NT-H2?) is just fine. If you do decide to get an extra tube, just in case you need it for future builds, etc., I like Thermal Grizzly's Kryonaut. It spreads easily, is not electrically conductive, is not electrically capacitive, lasts a long time, and has no curing period. In addition to being an excellent performer.
 
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Thank you very much this is exactly what I needed! Also thank you for breaking down the 4 versions of the CPU in an easy to read format.

Very good point about the PSU/GPU. Which one is the gold standard now a days if I do shell out the 1200-1400 for one of the better GPUs and need the Watts.?
Here is the recommended wattage from what I've seen and read.

RTX 3070/RX 6700XT = 750W
RTX 3070Ti/RTX 3080/RX 6800/RX 6800XT = 850W
RTX 3080Ti/RTX 3090/RX 6900XT = 1000W

As for recommendations on models, anything from Seasonic's Prime and Focus lines. Corsair's RM, HX, and AX lines are solid as well. I, personally, have a Seasonic Prime Titanium (called Prime TX now).
 

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Thank you! Funny I just added the Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler to my PC Part Picker screen after reading a review! ha Thank you!

I just have to make sure the RAM has room to put in after the cooler is installed.
Besides the further recommendation of this cooler series, note that the "S" version is specifically designed for a system with clearance issues, to wit, provides an asymmetrical single fan version , creating more than the usual clearance. A second fan may be added but I don't know that two fans add much more cooling .
 
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Thank you so much!! All of this really helps this old dog! (GPU/PSU Plus Thermal Paste!)

Last question. So based on the MB, 9900K and Ram...if you wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing....Which card would you go for?
I might be replacing my 144HZ freesync 1080p monitor (AOC G2770PF) with a medium range 28 inch 4K monitor to take advantage of newer games ....Some say it really isn't even worth it, just to stick with my 27 inch 1080P freesync 144HZ monitor and get a decent GPU and not worry about ray tracing at this time...What is your expert opinion?

I currently have a MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 GPU
Speaking from experience, going from a high refresh display to something 60hz is VERY rough, and will really limit the smoothness and potential of your new rig.

There are 4k 144hz displays, but a couple of problems with them. First, it takes an absolute maniac of a GPU to even approach 4K/144fps in many titles, and second, they are crazy expensive.

A happy medium are 27" 2560x1440 144/165hz, and 34" 3440x1440 120/144hz monitors, both of which are fairly affordable if you shop around.

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-G34w-10-34-Inch-Curved-Monitor/dp/B084R2XYM9
 

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You would need a 400 or 500 series chipset motherboard to use that 10900K. Preferably a Z490 or Z590. Keep in mind that the 10900K is still a Skylake architecture CPU. There are no IPC gains and marginal clock speed gains over the 9900K. You do get an extra two cores. But, unless you stream or have some other production oriented use case, those two extra cores would go, largely, unused.

So you are paying for CPU AND motherboard for very little real world gain instead of using the nice motherboard you got for free (minus the cost of entering the raffle, I'm assuming). Sure, you would save a couple hundred on the 10900K itself, but Z series motherboards are not cheap. We're talking $300-500. You almost certainly save way more money by sticking with the motherboard you won and getting a 9900K at full price and would get identical, or near identical, gaming performance assuming all other factors are equal (memory, GPU, etc).
 
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Posted one hour ago on techbargains is Ryzen 5600X for $289 @ Amazon.

That said, for almost any common use a Ryzen 3600 through 3700X make for a great price/performance deal and will work fine on the B450.
 

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I also prefer Asus. I would get the Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WI-FI). The only difference I can discern between the B550-A and B550-F is color (A has white heatsinks and F has black heatsinks). I prefer more expensive boards, like the ROG Strix line, because they tend to get more BIOS updates for longer.

If you are only gaming, the best bang for the buck is the 5800X.
 

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I also prefer Asus. I would get the Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WI-FI). The only difference I can discern between the B550-A and B550-F is color (A has white heatsinks and F has black heatsinks). I prefer more expensive boards, like the ROG Strix line, because they tend to get more BIOS updates for longer.

If you are only gaming, the best bang for the buck is the 5800X.
??

There is basically zero difference for gaming between the $289 5600X and $399 5800X.


That comparison uses an RTX 3090, coming down to more humanly priced GPUs and the potential edge cases for 5800X to show any gains in any gaming scenario go from miniscule to nonexistent.

The 5800X is of course, better. But it will not help in gaming. If $110 gets OP a better GPU within his budget, it's a counterproductive choice (the 5800) for his use case.
 

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??

There is basically zero difference for gaming between the $289 5600X and $399 5800X.


That comparison uses an RTX 3090, coming down to more humanly priced GPUs and the potential edge cases for 5800X to show any gains in any gaming scenario go from miniscule to nonexistent.

The 5800X is of course, better. But it will not help in gaming. If $110 gets OP a better GPU within his budget, it's a counterproductive choice (the 5800) for his use case.
While most games don't use more than 6 cores/12 threads, some games are starting to. COD Warzone is one such game where having 8 cores does make a difference. And I predict that more games in the future will take advantage of 8 cores.

So while 6 cores is fine NOW, I don't think it will be in the too distant future.
 

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Warzone is dramatically faster with the 5600X over the 3900X, it's much more architecture dependent.


It's like BFV in a lot of ways, it can use a ton of threads, but when you actually look at the CPU load, only a handful see more than 15-20% load. With the evolution of DirectX, Mantle, etc, core count and CPU load is actually becoming less of an issue than ever before.

I'm not opposed to a 5800X vs 5600X in a situation where there are zero budget considerations. However if it requires the expense that results in a lower end GPU, it will be a materially inferior gaming experience within those constraints.
 

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I prefer Samsung and Western Digitals latest SSDs because they are vertically integrated (they make their own controllers, firmware, and NAND flash).

I do a 3 tier system for my storage.

Tier 1 = OS and big, frequently played, games/apps. Like Rainbow Six Siege and Destiny 2 in my case.
Tier 2 = Big, less frequently played games/apps. For me, that's Battlefield 4 and Apex Legends.
Tier 3 = Old/small games, documents, pictures, videos.

Tier 1 is a 500GB Samsung 970 Evo NVMe SSD. Tier 2 is a 1TB Samsung 860 Evo SATA SSD. Tier 3 is a 3TB Western Digital Red.

This is the most economical, IMO.
 
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I prefer Samsung and Western Digitals latest SSDs because they are vertically integrated (they make their own controllers, firmware, and NAND flash).

I do a 3 tier system for my storage.

Tier 1 = OS and big, frequently played, games/apps. Like Rainbow Six Siege and Destiny 2 in my case.
Tier 2 = Big, less frequently played games/apps. For me, that's Battlefield 4 and Apex Legends.
Tier 3 = Old/small games, documents, pictures, videos.

Tier 1 is a 500 GB Samsung 970 Evo NVMe SSD. Tier 2 is a 1TB Samsung 860 Evo SATA SSD. Tier 3 is a 3TB Western Digital Red.

This is the most economical, IMO.
That's a pretty good matrix. A good piece of info is also that basically all common consumer model SSDs trail down heavily in performance past a certain usage range. Typically 75-85% full and they start to dip, and 90%+ severe performance issues arise. Something to keep in mind when choosing where to install something.

Plain old spinner drives actually also do pretty well for bulk gaming storage of less intensive or offline games. A single player game like Horizon Zero Dawn or Assassin's Creed Valhalla streams data in pretty efficiently, and with 16GB or more of ram, loading is not too common anyway.

A 500 + 1TB SSD combo is pretty good for most people if you also have a 2-4TB spinner to serve as general bulk storage/single player/back burner type games 👍 Comes back to what you get out of the expensive. Like a 4TB SSD is nice, but it's $350-$400. For that money there is a Lenovo 34" IPS 144hz 1ms Ultrawide. Going from a 1080p or 60hz display to that thing is WAY more of an upgrade than having luxury extra SSD space 😅
 

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That GPU will be able to run 1080 with mix of high and medium settings decently enough. And it will definitely not be held back by the 5600X, which is so powerful not even an RTX 3090 will show gains with a 5800X/5950 level CPU from there up.

However, what price are you seeing for the 1650? It is slow enough that you may see a better deal with a used option. We have a pretty good FS/FT section of excellent people to deal with on the forum.
 

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Look at the RX570 performance, which is pretty close to stock RX480, or close enough to be indistinguishable. The RX470/480 to 570/580 is a refresh with minor clock bumps. Tuned correctly, your 470 can top out around stock 580 performance, as long as you don't exceed the 4GB framebuffer.
 

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The best way to get great Cyberpunk 2077 on a budget is 2060 Super with DLSS 2.0

With that combo and the AI upscaling, you get equal or better than native image quality, ray tracing, and ultra settings at 60+fps. I built someone a budget gaming rig with an old Xeon E5-1650 v3, 32GB Quad Channel DDR3-1600, and a 2060 Super and they're getting great performance at 1440p DLSS at 70-100fps.

Either that or try to get on a waiting list for an RTX 3060. Either way if you find a deal you should see something in the $400ish range if you avoid jacked up prices. May take some patience though, but your RX480 still has some life in it for sure.
 
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1) 9900 = Not overclockable, lower base and boost clocks.
9900K = Fully unlocked and overclockable
9900KF = Fully unlocked and overclockable, no iGPU
9900KS = top bin, higher base and boost clocks, fully unlocked and overclockable

2) 16GB is enough. For games, I never go above 10ish GB usage. Video editing does push my memory usage closer to 16GB. 32GB is preferable if you plan on sticking with this setup for a while. The kit that you have is more than sufficient.

I would definitely go with a 9900K. The advantages of the KS don't justify the price premium. And having an iGPU can be useful so don't get the KF SKU.

If you buy a current gen Nvidia RTX 3000 or AMD RX 6000 graphics cards, be mindful of their power requirements. The RTX 3070 and RX 6700XT both require 650W power supplies. If you get a higher end GPU than those you will need more power.
Thank you very much this is exactly what I needed! Also thank you for breaking down the 4 versions of the CPU in an easy to read format.

Very good point about the PSU/GPU. Which one is the gold standard now a days if I do shell out the 1200-1400 for one of the better GPUs and need the Watts.?
 

rcoops72

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One thing not mentioned is a cooler . That cpu runs hot at all core activity and perhaps more than others in its class can use a high quality cooler. I use a Noctua which keeps the same cpu here at 36 deg on idle and just 65 degrees when running all core at 100% while respecting intel's power limits 95 Watts. If you plan to live on the cpu at say 200w there are liquid coolers to look at.

NH-D15S
Thank you! Funny I just added the Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler to my PC Part Picker screen after reading a review! ha Thank you!

I just have to make sure the RAM has room to put in after the cooler is installed.

Any advice on best thermal paste now a days?
 

rcoops72

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Here is the recommended wattage from what I've seen and read.

RTX 3070/RX 6700XT = 750W
RTX 3070Ti/RTX 3080/RX 6800/RX 6800XT = 850W
RTX 3080Ti/RTX 3090/RX 6900XT = 1000W

As for recommendations on models, anything from Seasonic's Prime and Focus lines. Corsair's RM, HX, and AX lines are solid as well. I, personally, have a Seasonic Prime Titanium (called Prime TX now).
Thank you so much!! All of this really helps this old dog! (GPU/PSU Plus Thermal Paste!)

Last question. So based on the MB, 9900K and Ram...if you wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing....Which card would you go for?
I might be replacing my 144HZ freesync 1080p monitor (AOC G2770PF) with a medium range 28 inch 4K monitor to take advantage of newer games ....Some say it really isn't even worth it, just to stick with my 27 inch 1080P freesync 144HZ monitor and get a decent GPU and not worry about ray tracing at this time...What is your expert opinion?

I currently have a MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 GPU
 

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Besides the further recommendation of this cooler series, note that the "S" version is specifically designed for a system with clearance issues, to wit, provides an asymmetrical single fan version , creating more than the usual clearance. A second fan may be added but I don't know that two fans add much more cooling .
Thank you!
 

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