Need Advice: Business partner is becoming a workaholic to escape her marital issues [UPDATE: had a long talk w/her]

ajayjuneja

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Hey All,

So I've noticed lately that my business partner (Tamara) for the startup I'm doing is fast becoming a workaholic to escape her marriage problems (she married a workaholic and isn't getting enough attention). There are plusses and minuses to this from my perspective.

Plusses:

1. Everything that needs to get done, gets done well. And usually on time.
2. If I need to meet with her on a moment's notice (say, when Honda popped up a meeting request on 1 day's notice) she pays attention to the task at hand.
3. The working relationship is good, she's really receptive to me.

Minuses:

1. She calls me on weekends to talk about work. Thankfully she hasn't this weekend, but every other weekend so far since the beginning of the year she's wanted to discuss work stuff. I prefer to have my space on weekends.

2. I can tell she's in denial about her marriage problems. So I just get the feeling at some point there will be an explosion of some sort. Any way to avoid this?

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I should note that before we started this company, we were good friends, and still are. So every so often (on an increasing frequency now) I do talk to her about what's going on in her life and see that she's doing ok. And right now my barometer says "stable on surface, unstable inside."


Oh and before anyone asks, I did suggest they go to therapist / see a marriage counselor in september, Steve (her hubby) was pretty unreceptive to actually making any changes (though he went to the sessions). After those sessions were not met with much success, she said "You're a better therapist than my therapist." :Q

So what should I do, if anything?


Update:

So Tamara and I met for lunch today. First we talked about a lot of psychological stuff relating to emotional unavailability, passive aggressive behavior, and workaholicism. Steve (her hubby) suffers from all these things.

'Tamara was really receptive to hearing all this. We made some HUGE progress in both of our understanding of all these issues.

We then spent a few hours talking about our presentation for panasonic on thursday.

We both started getting ancy from sitting still, so I went shopping with her (body shop, sees candies, a furniture store, and clothing shopping) and helped her pick out lots of clothes. This was the first time I ever had fun clothes shopping. I normally dread it.

I now feel like a surrogate husband esp. when doing the clothes shopping with her though. But emotionally she is doing a lot better, she had a huge smile all day after we went through all that stuff, I guess it's like a blessing that she has someone to talk to about this stuff. And our business stuff is ready for Thursday.

So now all is well. Albeit something feels amiss. I NEVER like to go clothes shopping. We joked around a lot and were playful and I ACTUALLY enjoyed clothes shopping. WTF is with that?
 

EGGO

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Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.
 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Just be prepared for extra work, maybe have someone on call?

Whenever the issues ignite she might be taking some time off
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.

I dont think this is a good move..

you can try and gauge what will happen to her if she does gets divorced or something.. will this affect her ability to work greatly? she is currently doing a great job, right?
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.

I dont think this is a good move..

you can try and gauge what will happen to her if she does gets divorced or something.. will this affect her ability to work greatly? she is currently doing a great job, right?

Well that's not for us to say - he obviously knows her and what she's capable/not capable of better than we do. He did say he doesn't want to see the company explode when her marriage explodes, which means he has doubts about her ability to perform when her marriage explodes. It seems like the obvious choice to pull her unless he feels they can work around it.
 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.

So Tamara's been really really damn good with the biz dev., and I can't really name someone to replace her off the top of my head. I have done the biz dev. side myself and also do a good job at it, would it be O.K. if I just took on the extra work for her position onto myself when the time bomb explodes? Then when the ashes settle, give the work back to her?
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.

So Tamara's been really really damn good with the biz dev., and I can't really name someone to replace her off the top of my head. I have done the biz dev. side myself and also do a good job at it, would it be O.K. if I just took on the extra work for her position onto myself when the time bomb explodes? Then when the ashes settle, give the work back to her?

Well that's really up to you. All I know is our network admin got served at work a few weeks ago. He's been seperated from his wife for almost a year now, been through some ups and downs which affected his work. Not to mention the death of his cousin, some other family crap, selling off his old business, etc. A divorce will mess you up pretty bad - I don't have personal experience, but him and others have convinced me of it.

I'd at least sit her down and talk to her about your concerns - the ball really is in your hands though.
 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...

If she's so vital to the company, find someone to assist/replace her, stat. She's a ticking time bomb and you said it yourself.

You have to ask yourself - the health of my company vs my friendship with my friend. If it means cutting her out of the picture if you value the company over her, then do so.

I dont think this is a good move..

you can try and gauge what will happen to her if she does gets divorced or something.. will this affect her ability to work greatly? she is currently doing a great job, right?

Well that's not for us to say - he obviously knows her and what she's capable/not capable of better than we do. He did say he doesn't want to see the company explode when her marriage explodes, which means he has doubts about her ability to perform when her marriage explodes. It seems like the obvious choice to pull her unless he feels they can work around it.


Tamara does do a great job. However, during her occasional phases of *dealing* with her marriage problems, she gets pretty unproductive and can't focus.

 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I'd at least sit her down and talk to her about your concerns - the ball really is in your hands though.

I don't want to be considered "Making a business decision based off of her personal life." Not an appropriate thing to do.
 

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Aside from telling her in a nice way that you don't want anymore phone calls to discuss work on your off weekends you say nothing.She does her work and has not made this an office problem, stay out of it.

Btw, working a lot of overtime is the secret to a succesful marriage.
 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Aside from telling her in a nice way that you don't want anymore phone calls to discuss work on your off weekends you say nothing.She does her work and has not made this an office problem, stay out of it.

Btw, working a lot of overtime is the secret to a succesful marriage.


Thanks for your feedback geekbabe. I assume you are being sarcastic about that overtime comment... what I've been seeing in their relationship has been very very far from what I'd call "successful."

 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Aside from telling her in a nice way that you don't want anymore phone calls to discuss work on your off weekends you say nothing.She does her work and has not made this an office problem, stay out of it.

Btw, working a lot of overtime is the secret to a succesful marriage.


Thanks for your feedback geekbabe. I assume you are being sarcastic about that overtime comment... what I've been seeing in their relationship has been very very far from what I'd call "successful."


No, when you aren't home a lot there's less chance for fricton and the extra money generated by working more eases the money problems that cause so many divorces.


You value this woman as a business partner ? then you and she need to set some boundaries because the ones you've got aren't working.You are a third party and nothing
adds fuel to marital woes quicker than the imput of a third party.She needs to confine her discussions about her marital problems to her husband and her therapist.
 

ajayjuneja

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe

No, when you aren't home a lot there's less chance for fricton and the extra money generated by working more eases the money problems that cause so many divorces.

So in this case, Tamara and I work from our respective homes and meet several times a week. She's still home a lot. I will say it looks like the existence of our business helps keeps her going day to day, i.e. it's something to look forward to blossoming. Money is NOT an issue in their relationship, she is a multi millionaire, he is a patent attorney.

Time, however is. I don't want this thread to go into all the details of how their relationship is screwed up, I am focused on how to keep our business from getting screwed up (right now it is doing great, but I'd be an idiot to not see the issues coming up soon).
 

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Aside from telling her in a nice way that you don't want anymore phone calls to discuss work on your off weekends you say nothing.She does her work and has not made this an office problem, stay out of it.

Btw, working a lot of overtime is the secret to a succesful marriage.


Thanks for your feedback geekbabe. I assume you are being sarcastic about that overtime comment... what I've been seeing in their relationship has been very very far from what I'd call "successful."


No, when you aren't home a lot there's less chance for fricton and the extra money generated by working more eases the money problems that cause so many divorces.

i wouldn't call that a "successful" marriage...

as for what to do, if you're sure that she's going to breakdown, i would get her to take a vacation or not work so hard. in general, i am of the "stay out of it" mentality, but starting a business with someone is a very intimate matter... in this situation, i don't think you are unjustified in making sure she is ok. you two both have an obligation to each other to work in the best interest of the company.
 

EGGO

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Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Originally posted by: EGGO
Don't get involved unless you really care about her problems and are ready to face any and all reprocussions (good or bad) from an intervention.

errr... so that I haven't thought through completely yet. What would the reprocussions be?

I see the following:

1. Distractions from task at hand (work stuff).

what would the other reprocussions be?


I also don't want to see our company explode when her marriage explodes...

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough on what I meant by "reprocussions." It's quite possible she may blow up in your face if you DO sit down and talk about this with her, feeling insulted or anything else that may seem hostile towards your worries. It may not happen, but I learned that a woman can especially feel that way if someone outside tries to do something about their business.
 
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if her marriage falls apart it will affect her work regardless of your involvement. so really, you should just myob and hope for the best. imo i dont think there is anything you can do anyways.
 

Toasthead

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Id say as long as it isnt negastively effecting the company..leave it alone...she knows you know and will let you help if she wants you to.