Need a power supply... **UPDATE** DO NOT BUY FROM EWIZ.COM!

Acanthus

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With the death of my Smartpower 2.0 500w, im done with Antec.

After looking at the 2 brands people like most, i cant find what i want for anywhere near the price i want.

Im looking for 450-550w, with lots of connectors, and a SINGLE, STRONG 12v rail.

I have had more power issues with dual rail supplies than ever before (I run OCed systems 24/7 and need rock stability).

I checked out Tagan, PC&PC, Seasonic, and Fortron (the 4 most reccomended by users i trust on here) ... Most are dual rail, and the ones that arent are prohibitively expensive. OCZ is also out of the park.

Antec and Enermax are out of the question, Sparkle doesnt have anything strong enough, and Thermaltakes are all dual rail.

Is there a good single rail supply out there?
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*Update 6/30/2006*

The power supply arrived from Ewiz.com yesterday via UPS.

The packaging was poor, while there were the fill air pockets filling the entire box, the power supply unit itself was just jammed in the corner of the box, with all of the packaging thrown on top.

There doesnt appear to be any physical damage to the package (which is fortunate, because UPS beats up everything im sent usually).

However, the power supply is DOA, failed to post in my rig as well as 2 known working rigs.

I have filed an RMA through Ewiz, but their resellerrating on returns is horrible... Might have to do a chargeback if they start giving me sh!t...

We will see how far they go to rectify this.

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*Update 7/18/2006*

Ewiz has recieved my RMA package as of 5 days ago according to tracking. I carefully followed their instructions and improved their piss poor packaging before i sent it back. I wrote the RMA number largely and clearly on all sides of the box, and included a copy of the sales invoice inside the box.

Ewiz has not sent me ANY correspondance saying they recieved the package. Furthermore, they have not sent me any kind of confirmation of my RMA status or any tracking numbers saying it was shipped back.

I have shot ewiz sales an email, as there doesnt seem to be a direct link to their rma department. (all of the RMA emails i have are from "please do not reply to this email" addresses.

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*Update 7/19/2006*

Still no correspondence from Ewiz. Calling them today.

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*Update 7/28/2006*

This is becoming a joke, i called them today and got someone that looked up my RMA and told me that they "would know something next week"...

It has now been 45 days since the initial order, and i still dont have a working power supply.

Anyone who orders from this company after reading this is stupid.

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*Update 8/7/2006*

STILL no correspondance from eWiz, emailing them this thread.

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*Update 8/20/2006*

Power supply RMA arrived today, 2 months after the original order.

Its exhibiting the EXACT SAME issues it did before.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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SuperMicro PWS-0056, 3.3@30A, 5V@30A, 12V@46A(all on one rail).

Froogles at $125. You will not have sleeving, twinkly fans(crap that glows), modular and
it's 180mm deep vs the ATX standard of 140mm. Some rework of the cabling ends might
have to be done to meet your needs.

You might consider Zippy/Emacs shopping at http://www.zippyusa.com/
You might look at PSUs at http://www.servercase.com/

That's alot of PSUs to go bad. I hope your case is well ventilated.


...Galvanized
 

n7

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
I have had more power issues with dual rail supplies than ever before (I run OCed systems 24/7 and need rock stability).


I'd venture to say that's because you've been running Antec's dual rail crap, not because all dual rail PSUs are crap...

Since i really cannot make my normal recommendations (GalvanizedYankee will laugh at my n00b advice :(), i'd see what he & JohnnyGURU recommend :p
 

Ken90630

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Only other brand I can think of that might be worth your money might be Enhance, but I don't know a lot about them. They are considered a "high-end" PSU company, if I'm not mistaken. IIRC, member Ribbon13 has recommended them a time or two on these forums.

No offense, but it kinda sounds like you're looking for something that's gonna be pretty hard to find: a reliable PSU with "rock solid" stability, lots o' amps on a single 12V rail, and that's gonna be inexpensive & last several years. There aren't too many such PSUs that come cheaply (particularly since you say you've already looked at Sparkle). :p

I know you don't wanna hear this, but my advice would be to spend a few extra bucks and get quality. I'm sure PC P&C and Fortron make single-rail units that'll do the job nicely -- just not super cheaply.

Sorry I don't have any other suggestions for you, but for anyone else who wants to chime in, how much do you wanna spend?
 

NTB

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Have you looked at Fortron Source PSUs? I've used several of these, and never had a problem. That said, they were all a little smaller than what you're looking for; usually either 350 or 400 Watts.

Nate
 

ribbon13

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
I checked out Tagan, PC&PC, Seasonic, and Fortron (the 4 most reccomended by users i trust on here) ... Most are dual rail, and the ones that arent are prohibitively expensive. OCZ is also out of the park.

I find myself taking issue with this particular statement. As shown here
36A single as seen here
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Acanthus
I checked out Tagan, PC&PC, Seasonic, and Fortron (the 4 most reccomended by users i trust on here) ... Most are dual rail, and the ones that arent are prohibitively expensive. OCZ is also out of the park.

I find myself taking issue with this particular statement. As shown here
36A single as seen here

Absolutely sexy ribbon13!

I was just browsing the egg and they didnt have any high end sparkle models.

That is also a great price, i was looking for the $75-90 range, so you really hit the nail on the head.

How is sparkle on reliability? I know they were great back in the AT days but they have recently faded from the center stage.

I can see from going to their site that RMAs can be shipped quickly at the users expense and they appear to have very fast processing times, which would slaughter Antecs "stellar warrenty" policy of taking more than 48 hours to even honor an RMA request.

From the way they worded it, with approval you can even get an RMA cross-shipped.
 

MrX8503

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Every single time there is a thread about a dead antec its always a smartpower. I have never seen a thread about a dead truepowerii. just smartpowers.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: MrX8503
Every single time there is a thread about a dead antec its always a smartpower. I have never seen a thread about a dead truepowerii. just smartpowers.

Ive had 2 Truepowers die, a Truecontrol, and now the Smartpower 2.0.
 

Dman877

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I had one truepower that died and one that was unstable. I've used 2 smartpowers that had no issues though :). I've never bought an antec pus though, they just happen to come in some of the cases I like. I stick to enermax when I buy psu's.
 

BigPete

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PC Power and Cooling. Of course, that doesn't work out with the "cheap" requirement but it far surpasses your need for a "decent" power supply.
 

Operandi

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I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.
 
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Tight budget, stick wtih Fortron or OCZ.

I think dual rail or single rail is fine.

If you want quality, I suggest Seasonic of PCP&C. Just cuz it's dual rail doesn't mean it's bad. My 600W Seasonic lasts for my Opteron 170, 7800GT, 2 HDs, 2 burners...
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
But it shouldn't. Could you tell us about the problems you've been having that you think are caused by multiple rails?
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
But it shouldn't. Could you tell us about the problems you've been having that you think are caused by multiple rails?

Loading one rail too much caused failure to post and crashes under load, only rearranging the wiring inside the case fixed the issue, by running direct lines to the DFI NF4 Ultra-D for the 2 extra power connectors (one floppy and one regular molex, on top of the 24pin connector and the 4 pin 12v).
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
But it shouldn't. Could you tell us about the problems you've been having that you think are caused by multiple rails?

Loading one rail too much caused failure to post and crashes under load, only rearranging the wiring inside the case fixed the issue, by running direct lines to the DFI NF4 Ultra-D for the 2 extra power connectors (one floppy and one regular molex, on top of the 24pin connector and the 4 pin 12v).
Which PSU(s) did the problem occur with?
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
But it shouldn't. Could you tell us about the problems you've been having that you think are caused by multiple rails?

Loading one rail too much caused failure to post and crashes under load, only rearranging the wiring inside the case fixed the issue, by running direct lines to the DFI NF4 Ultra-D for the 2 extra power connectors (one floppy and one regular molex, on top of the 24pin connector and the 4 pin 12v).
Which PSU(s) did the problem occur with?

Antec Truecontrol 550w and Antec Smartpower 2.0 500w.
 

jonnyGURU

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Operandi
I would reconsider your single rail requirement as it's not going to make any difference in stability.

For a tight budget I recommend Forton-Source and Enhance, stay away from Thermaltake.

It does make a difference, i know from experience.

(This rig is an OCed Venice, and Geforce 6800GT SLI, 2 drives, 2 HDs)
But it shouldn't. Could you tell us about the problems you've been having that you think are caused by multiple rails?

Loading one rail too much caused failure to post and crashes under load, only rearranging the wiring inside the case fixed the issue, by running direct lines to the DFI NF4 Ultra-D for the 2 extra power connectors (one floppy and one regular molex, on top of the 24pin connector and the 4 pin 12v).


You're confused.

Mulitple leads do not come from multiple rails. You can have 1,000 leads but all of the +5V and +3.3V is going to come from the same source, or "rail", inside the power supply.

Dual rails means dual 12V rails, and those mutliple rails do not allow the user to "choose" what rail powers what as +12V1 is always on the 4-pin P4 connector and +12V1 is always everything else.

This varies when you have a tri-rail which puts PCI-es on their own +12V rail or quad rail where the two CPU's on an 8-pin EPS connector or each PCI-e connector are put on their own +12V rail.

If moving connectors around inside your case yields better stability then the problem is not "rail" related. You either have a very crappy power supply with very thin gage wires that can not handle the additional amperage of multiple components on it, or you have a bent pin in one of the connectors somewhere that's causing resistance and screwing things up.

Also, you wouldn't want to put dissimilar devices together on a lead because one device may "dirty" the voltage for another on that same lead. For example: plugging an inverter for for a CCFL in line with your PCI-e connector would be a bad idea.
 

skooma

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: MrX8503
Every single time there is a thread about a dead antec its always a smartpower. I have never seen a thread about a dead truepowerii. just smartpowers.

Ive had 2 Truepowers die, a Truecontrol, and now the Smartpower 2.0.
truepowers or tpII's?

anyway, that sparkle is nice and for more money, i was looking at the silverstone 56f2 (?) i'll look it up later. newegg has is, the only single 12v rail silverstone iirc. but it froogled for ~20 less i think.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163111
 

ribbon13

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
The unit ribbon13 linked above will Froogle at <$75 but I don't know about shipping.

:beer: That's just for not capitalizing a name that would have damn well been capitalized if that's the way I really wanted it :p

Anyway, I'd like to know how many different brands of dual-rail PSUs the OP put to the test.