Need a little help pushing my e6300 to 3.0 GHz

[ibex333]

Right now I have:


CPU Volt Control: at stock
Mem multiplier: 2.0
CPU Host Frequency: 400MHz

With this I have 2.8GHz(in sig). As I understand my main limitation is the memory that is 400MHz and the possible high temps. I couldn't get better memory or a good cooler in the past because I couldn't afford them, but now I got a little cash saved up, and I can try to go a little higher.

How do you think I should do this? Is better RAM a must, or I can push my current ram a little higher? Do I need a cooler just for the CPU or for the NB chip as well?

Can you please recommend some good CPU and NB coolers? I need something that is fairly easy to install and something that will work right out of the box. I know there are some coolers that require a user to purchase a fan separately - I don't need that. I need something that is ready to install and use.

 

[myocardia]

This heatsink will keep you nice and cool, and it's cheap, too. As far as the RAM is concerned, which version do you have, and what vdimm & timings are you running it at?

 

[ibex333]

I have this this memory.

Stock timings. I don't know much about timings so I didn't touch them yet.

Also can someone please explain to me why this
processor is cheaper than mine?
It seems it would oc better with my ram, and has more cache... Why the lower price?

e4400 has an 8x multi which means it would OC much better with my ram yet it's a lot cheaper too! I dont understand...

 

[ibex333]

bump.

 

[myocardia]

If you want to go higher with that RAM, change your RAM timings to 5-6-6-18. That should get you to at least 440 FSB. And the reason that cpu is cheaper than your E6300 is because it's got half the L2 cache. It would have to run ~200 Mhz faster, to equal the same speed as your processor, in most apps.

 

[ibex333]

Don't meant to annoy, but I still don't get it because the Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 I linked you to has 4mb cache and my cpu has 2mb.

Oh, and thank you. I'll try those memory timings.

 

[myocardia]

Oh, sorry, I don't click on most links here. If you want me to know what it is, it has to be labeled, like this: E6550.

And the reason the E6x50's are cheaper is because Intel has lowered their prices on the 333 Mhz models. They haven't manufactured the E6300's, E6400's, E6600's, etc. in quite some time, so the places that still have them had to pay more for them, because of the old prices. They've all lowered their prices on them as much as possible (the E6600 is $80 cheaper at newegg now), but they aren't going to sell it to you for less than they paid.

 

[ibex333]

Can someone please recommend me some RAM that is rated higher than 400MHz so I can easily get to 3.0GHz? The temps are not a problem for me, so my only limitation is the RAM, and in order to run my ram at 410MHz or so I might have to put a little more juice into my NB chip which I don't want to do unless I have to. If I can simply buy different RAM for below $100 and sell the one I have, I'd take that option over OCing my RAM.

 

[Tempered81]

u dont need higher ram, i use that same mobo. 359mhz x 9 3.23ghz. did you increase the voltage of the nb, ram, fsb, and cpu? try +.1+.3+.1+.09

 

[tigersty1e]

Have you even tried running your ram above 400?


Try that first.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
u dont need higher ram, i use that same mobo. 359mhz x 9 3.23ghz. did you increase the voltage of the nb, ram, fsb, and cpu? try +.1+.3+.1+.09

My CPU has a multiplier of 7 so what you are proposing is impossible for me.

Originally posted by: tigersty1e
Have you even tried running your ram above 400?


Try that first.

I'd try it if I knew for 100% my ram is not going to go up in flames. (a mild exaggeration here off course)
Since 400MHz is max, and the NB chip on DS3 has a bad rep for running too hot even on stock I was reluctant to try unless someone told me they have exactly the same hardware and had no problems themselves. I'd slap a small cooler on the NB chip and then try going above 400MHz, but most NB heatsinks/fans don't fit the DS3 and those who do fit are either extremely inefficient or expencive/hard to come by.

 

[tigersty1e]

Originally posted by: ibex333


I'd try it if I knew for 100% my ram is not going to go up in flames. (a mild exaggeration here off course)
Since 400MHz is max, and the NB chip on DS3 has a bad rep for running too hot even on stock I was reluctant to try unless someone told me they have exactly the same hardware and had no problems themselves. I'd slap a small cooler on the NB chip and then try going above 400MHz, but most NB heatsinks/fans don't fit the DS3 and those who do fit are either extremely inefficient or expencive/hard to come by.

That's the risk we take.

Originally posted by: ibex333

and the NB chip on DS3 has a bad rep for running too hot even on stock I was reluctant to try

Better ram will give you the same problem.

430 * 7 will give you 3.01 GHz. Try 410, 420, 430, and then you're there.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: ibex333
I'd slap a small cooler on the NB chip and then try going above 400MHz, but most NB heatsinks/fans don't fit the DS3 and those who do fit are either extremely inefficient or expencive/hard to come by.

Why would you replace the heatsink? If your CPU came with a heatsink, but no fan, wouldn't the first thing you tried be adding a fan to the heatsink? The chipset on my Gigabyte P35C-DS3R (which isn't even a heatpipe) stays @ 44C, with my Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz, while running Prime95. That's more than 25C below where it was, before I attached a 40mm fan to it.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Your worries about your RAM don't have any solid basis at the moment.

It can work both ways: you can over-clock the DDR2-800's with voltage just below the recommended maximum, or you can under-clock the DDR2-800's. Have you even tried tightening the latency settings at the rated Mhz spec? And if you under-clock them, you may be able to run tighter latency settings and get the same bandwidth or better.

My point: the rated speed of the memory isn't as important to their potential as the voltage required to get them there.

 

[Xvys]

I don't think he has to buy anything to overclock higher, except for the cpu heatsink. You can buy the AC Freezer 7 for $18, which is good for 85% of the o/c of the TK Ultra 120 Extreme (which I just bought for $43).

I had my E6300 with a 965P chipset m/b (with DDR2-667 ram) up to 533FSB x 7 (3.73Ghz) and totally stable and cool 24/7 at 450FSB x 7 (3.15Ghz) with 1.31v cpu and 1.9v ram...with the Freezer 7 and no mods.

Obviously those G.Skills might limit the o/c to 450Mhz, but up the juice and loosen the timings to the max (as ram timings really have little effect on system performance).
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