Need a list of chemicals.

SinfulWeeper

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It is all over the internet, there are hundreds of thousands of pages on google saying there are over 400 chemicals found in marijuana smoke. However I can not find a list of those chemicals as compared to the relative ease of finding the chemicals found in cigarette smoke.

Any of you able to provide a link?
 

SinfulWeeper

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Hehe. Well, not talking about the effects of it. Just looking for the list. Having a discussion with someone and he is getting rather... disturbed that I mentioned pot when smoked has over 400 chemicals in it. He said bs, it's a natural plant. I told him as is tobacco. We then ran a search came up on which I found the list of chemicals in cigarette smoke in less than 5 minutes. It has been 2 days now and despite seeing everyone say marijuana smoke has over 400 chemicals found in it, no one is publishing that list other than to say it does. I need facts, not a little barely mentioned part that pot has 400 chemicals.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: potato28
Everything in cigarette smoke plus THC.

actually I believe marijuana smoke has far less carcinogens, and a few of tobacco's carcinogens are actually tobacco-only iirc.

eh, get a vaporizer and you'll be treated to far less chemicals ;)
most carcinogens in plant material need to be converted through combustion, and they are pretty much dormant if not exposed to flame.
 

MixMasterTang

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Most cigarette companies add addtional chemicals on top of what is natually in the tobacco. Not saying this happens with marijuana, but it is not regulated at all and could have nothing in it, or it could have lots of crazy stuff in it.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Hehe. Well, not talking about the effects of it. Just looking for the list. Having a discussion with someone and he is getting rather... disturbed that I mentioned pot when smoked has over 400 chemicals in it. He said bs, it's a natural plant. I told him as is tobacco. We then ran a search came up on which I found the list of chemicals in cigarette smoke in less than 5 minutes. It has been 2 days now and despite seeing everyone say marijuana smoke has over 400 chemicals found in it, no one is publishing that list other than to say it does. I need facts, not a little barely mentioned part that pot has 400 chemicals.

if no list can be found, maybe its safe to say its not true? ;)
a lot of crap was said by anti-smoking people in attempts to disprove the concepts that smoking pot is safer than cigarettes.
the difference actually comes into how much material is smoked throughout a day, and for most people... they smoke far less material than a normal cigarette smoker, not to mention cigarette tobacco is so heavily processed, while marijuana tends to remain as pure plant material.
 

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Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
It is all over the internet, there are hundreds of thousands of pages on google saying there are over 400 chemicals found in marijuana smoke. However I can not find a list of those chemicals as compared to the relative ease of finding the chemicals found in cigarette smoke.

Any of you able to provide a link?

Rubbish! In cigarette smoke i can believe that, do you know how much crap they put in cigaretto tobacco, i'm not going to talk shit and tell you numbers but i'm willing to bet draw has no where near that amount of chemicals in it!
 

SinfulWeeper

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Originally posted by: Jahee
Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
It is all over the internet, there are hundreds of thousands of pages on google saying there are over 400 chemicals found in marijuana smoke. However I can not find a list of those chemicals as compared to the relative ease of finding the chemicals found in cigarette smoke.

Any of you able to provide a link?

Rubbish! In cigarette smoke i can believe that, do you know how much crap they put in cigaretto tobacco, i'm not going to talk shit and tell you numbers but i'm willing to bet draw has no where near that amount of chemicals in it!

You ever grow your own tobacco? Then you can probably say the same. Most people who buy pot to get high buy it from someone else who got it from the growers. To get yield, much like tobacco, you have to use plant growth stuff. Who knows what makes it grow so fast?, I certainly do not.

Back in high school in the science class a friend of mine had put a marijuana seed in with the other plants that were growing all using the same soil. I can assure you, it grew slow. In fact it took the teacher 5 weeks after first sprouting to even realize it was a pot plant. It was quickly put to death.
 

marincounty

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Here's a link to some of the chemicals found in marijuana smoke:
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B.Mainstream Smoke
I. Gas Phase Units Marijuana Tobacco
Carbon Monoxide % 3.99 4.58
mg 17.6 20.2
Carbon Dioxide % 8.27 9.38
mg 57.3 65.0
Ammonia mcg 228 199
HCN mcg 532 498
Cyanogen (CN)2 mcg 19 20
Isoprene mcg 83 310
Acetaldehyde mcg 1200 980
Acetone mcg 443 578
Acrolein mcg 92 85
Acetonitrilebenzene mcg 132 123
Benzene mcg 76 67
Toluene mcg 112 108
Vinyl chloride ng 5.4 12.4
Dimethylnitrosamine ng 75 84
Methylethylnitrosamine ng 27 30
pH, third puff 6.56 6.14
fifth puff 6.57 6.15
seventh puff 6.58 6.14
ninth puff 6.56 6.10
tenth puff 6.58 6.02
 

marincounty

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Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's a link to some of the chemicals found in marijuana smoke:
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B.Mainstream Smoke
I. Gas Phase Units Marijuana Tobacco
Carbon Monoxide % 3.99 4.58
mg 17.6 20.2
Carbon Dioxide % 8.27 9.38
mg 57.3 65.0
Ammonia mcg 228 199
HCN mcg 532 498
Cyanogen (CN)2 mcg 19 20
Isoprene mcg 83 310
Acetaldehyde mcg 1200 980
Acetone mcg 443 578
Acrolein mcg 92 85
Acetonitrilebenzene mcg 132 123
Benzene mcg 76 67
Toluene mcg 112 108
Vinyl chloride ng 5.4 12.4
Dimethylnitrosamine ng 75 84
Methylethylnitrosamine ng 27 30
pH, third puff 6.56 6.14
fifth puff 6.57 6.15
seventh puff 6.58 6.14
ninth puff 6.56 6.10
tenth puff 6.58 6.02

Yay for bongs.
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's a link to some of the chemicals found in marijuana smoke:
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B.Mainstream Smoke
I. Gas Phase Units Marijuana Tobacco
Carbon Monoxide % 3.99 4.58
mg 17.6 20.2
Carbon Dioxide % 8.27 9.38
mg 57.3 65.0
Ammonia mcg 228 199
HCN mcg 532 498
Cyanogen (CN)2 mcg 19 20
Isoprene mcg 83 310
Acetaldehyde mcg 1200 980
Acetone mcg 443 578
Acrolein mcg 92 85
Acetonitrilebenzene mcg 132 123
Benzene mcg 76 67
Toluene mcg 112 108
Vinyl chloride ng 5.4 12.4
Dimethylnitrosamine ng 75 84
Methylethylnitrosamine ng 27 30
pH, third puff 6.56 6.14
fifth puff 6.57 6.15
seventh puff 6.58 6.14
ninth puff 6.56 6.10
tenth puff 6.58 6.02

Yay for bongs.
I'd like to know what bongs filter out, or if they just filter out a % of everything. educamater me, someone in ATOT stoner land.
 

NL5

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Carrots have hundreds of chemicals in them too........
 

SinfulWeeper

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Now were getting closer. But what about in the smoke? Burn hydrogen and it is clean. Add in the other stuff like carbon's and now it burns filthy.
 

imported_hscorpio

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If you're really curious try searching through the 1999 Institute of Medicine report: Marijuana and Medicine; Assessing the Science Base

Backtrack through the references they use in the section titled "CANNABIS AND THE CANNABINOIDS" and ultimately you'll find your way to:

Ross SA, Elsohly MA. 1995. Constituents of Cannabis sativa L. XXVIII. A review of the natural constituents: 1980?1994. Zagazig Journal for Pharmaceutical Sciences 4:1?10
and
Chemical constituents of marijuana: the complex mixture of natural cannabinoids

I was unable to find these articles for free, but I did find a summary here:

A total of 483 natural constituents have been isolated and/or identified in Cannabis sativa L., and they have been delineated as follows:

* Cannabinoids, 66
* Nitrogenous Compounds, 27
* Amino acids, 18
* Proteins, Glycoproteins, Enzymes, 11
* Sugars & related compounds, 34
* Hydrocarbons, 50
* Simple Alcohols, 7
* Simple Aldehydes, 12
* Simple Keytones, 13
* Simple Acids, 21
* Fatty Acids, 22
* Simple Esters & Lactones, 13
* Steroids, 11
* Terpenes, 120
* Non-Cannabinoids Phenols, 25
* Flavonoids, 21
* Vitamins, 1
* Pigments, 2
* Elements, 9
 

SinfulWeeper

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

Besides, 22000 joints is a pretty small number for these patients having admit it. Odds are they probably can not accurately remember how much they smoked cause their brains were cooked.
A pack of cigarettes a day = 7700 cigaretes per year. Most smokers get cancer/emphizema after 30+ years of smoking unless they are really heavy smokers and also work in a place where second hand smoke is common.
It's common knowledge most heavy pot smokers cant remember what happened 20 minutes ago, you honestly expect them to remember how much pot they smoked in their life? 22000 might have sounded like a big number to them, but I would expect they had at least 6x that amount at minimum.
 

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Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers

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I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

There are other causes of lung cancer besides tobacco smoke. A quick search shows approximately 10% of lung cancer cases occur in non-smokers.
 

Xyclone

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Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

Besides, 22000 joints is a pretty small number for these patients having admit it. Odds are they probably can not accurately remember how much they smoked cause their brains were cooked.
A pack of cigarettes a day = 7700 cigaretes per year. Most smokers get cancer/emphizema after 30+ years of smoking unless they are really heavy smokers and also work in a place where second hand smoke is common.
It's common knowledge most heavy pot smokers cant remember what happened 20 minutes ago, you honestly expect them to remember how much pot they smoked in their life? 22000 might have sounded like a big number to them, but I would expect they had at least 6x that amount at minimum.

How many pack-a-day joint smokers do you know? :confused:
 

SinfulWeeper

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Originally posted by: hscorpio
Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers

--- snip---
I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

There are other causes of lung cancer besides tobacco smoke. A quick search shows approximately 10% of lung cancer cases occur in non-smokers.

I am aware of this and will give the benefit of the doubt.
It should be worthwhile to report that none of his family ever developed any form of cancer. As far as I know he never worked in a place that would put him regularly in contact with any kind of carcinogen. He was smoking pot since the age of 12 though. He died @ 29.
I do suppose it is possible, however unlikely that he got the cancer for some oddball reason what none of us will ever know.