NEC LCD2070NX or Dell 2007WFP

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Ok well this version thingie, is there much differences between the 04 and 05 to warrant one over the other?

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These are the changes:

LM201U04->LM201U05

Response time->16 ms (bwb)->8 ms (g2g)
Contrast ratio->400:1->800:1
Luminance->250->300 nits

If you ask me, it's mostly marketing. They're probably hardly different.

That said, I used a 2007FP with the U05 and it was quite a pleasure to use. Never used a U04.

 

[DasFox]

Hey xtknight thanks for stopping in.

I guess at this point in time this NEC is a toughie to beat for a S-IPS panel, what do you think, in this size and price?

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[DasFox]

NEC specs say 700:1
http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/...spec=x__uk__en,docId=102078,group=ComD

Will 16ms be ok for watching movies?

THANKS

 

[DasFox]

CRAP now you guys got me thinking about the faster response time on the newer panel, ahhhh I can't make up my mind.

ALOHA

 

[xtknight]

The U05 is slightly faster...so I'm not sure whether it would be worth it to you or not.

I'm debating between the LP2065 and L2000C on the gaming/better color list. People say the L2000C has banding, but you can't trust that, because the same people said the latest Dell A02s have banding, and they don't (at least in the correct mode). I find it hard to believe any LCD would have banding in all settings.

The NEC (16ms) should definitely be fast enough for movies. Just go with that. Good brand, good color reproduction, decent response time, extremely wide viewing angle.

Edit: U05 is slightly faster, not much faster.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: xtknight
The U05 is slightly faster...so I'm not sure whether it would be worth it to you or not.

I'm debating between the LP2065 and L2000C on the gaming/better color list. People say the L2000C has banding, but you can't trust that, because the same people said the latest Dell A02s have banding, and they don't (at least in the correct mode).

The NEC (16ms) should definitely be fast enough for movies.

Edit: U05 is slightly faster, not much faster.

xtnight, well as I mentioned on the post, this is to be my gaming LCD, until I find a killer one I really want, so this is like to hold me over till then, the LCDs for then I have my eye on are the Samsung and HP 30" coming out soon.

So I want to game for now, but later it will be my CRT replacement on my work box and I just use that for text, music and movies, but I might end up playing some older game titles that wouldn't be good for SLI.

Personally I'm not a HP fan, so I'd go with the LG, but I live in Hawaii so finding someone to trust and not kill me on shipping is the next issue. NewEgg isn't carrying the LG right now.

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[DasFox]

Ahh found a pretty good deal on it at MacMall, now they're a good company from what I gather.

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/car...acmall%2Fshop%2Fcheckout%2Flogin%2Easp

FedEx Economy 2 Day $51.21


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[DasFox]

Found this Backup tapes company not sure how good they are, but they seem to be the cheapest I've found so far.

http://www.backuptapes.net/detail.php?id=216&r=y

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[DasFox]

OK sheesh now it's either the LG or NEC, hmmm

HELP, LOL

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[xtknight]

Well I'm still finding reports of weird grayscale discoloration and perhaps even 6-bitness on the L2000C so maybe that'll make your choice easier. I don't know how much credit to give to those claims though. Picking a 20" 4:3 LCD is not easy. I don't know what's so bad about the 2007WFP though. Worst case scenario you'll get an S-PVA which isn't bad at all. You'll get over the fact that it's a Dell within a week.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Zebo
NEC. First of all with Dell no guarantee you'll even get an IPS. Could be a PVA. NEC has way better warranty 3 years or 4 years I forget parts and labor. Dell has one year. NEC has better electronics and gets grade A panels form LGP dell gets grade b. Thats why NEC cost more.

Well what about what Zebo is saying here about better electronics, a grade A panel and a one year warranty on the NEC over the Dell?

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[Zebo]

You mean besides being slower and having crappy viewangles and poorer color? I am not a fan of PVA at all, and think it's view angles are worse than TN. All gets whitish with even a slight tilt off center ...at least TN stays pretty decent right and left to about 40 degrees IME. S-PVA may measure well in the reveiws but the in actual use things are different. I've had two SPVA from Dell, the 1905 and 2405, Viewing angles were so bad that each eye sees something different making it appear as glare. I simply couldn't tolerate this. Move an inch right or left and it got much worse.

IPS is clearly the best, but the most expensive which is why Dell trys to implant a few cheap SPVA in there and hope no one notices..

You can see here IPS is best, then TN on horizontal (which is what really matters) then MVA/PVA.. anything other than straight on looks like crap. I can not in good consience recommend S-PVA to anyone.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/619-...ated-survey-13-lcd-20-5-6-8-16-ms.html

 

[DasFox]

I don't like PVA either, the samsung 215TW uses it and I tired those LCDs and I didn't like them.

Well I'm still about as lost as ever, LOL

NEC, or now the LG.

Damm if I didn't read the reviews on the LG with that banding, and some other issues I'd probably just grab it, and if what you said Zebo is correct about the Dell with a lower quality panel then I certainly don't want it.

Look I don't really care if it's 4:3 or Widescreen I just want a nice S-IPS panel. I just thought it would be easier and cheaper to go with 4:3 for now was all.

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[Zebo]

LG is reviewed in that link I just gave... I'd prolly go NEC though from a price/performance and name perspetive.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: Zebo
NEC. First of all with Dell no guarantee you'll even get an IPS. Could be a PVA. NEC has way better warranty 3 years or 4 years I forget parts and labor. Dell has one year. NEC has better electronics and gets grade A panels form LGP dell gets grade b. Thats why NEC cost more.

Well what about what Zebo is saying here about better electronics, a grade A panel and a one year warranty on the NEC over the Dell?

ALOHA

Granted Dell has used cheap/unidentifiable BenQ inverters in some of their value LCDs, I haven't seen any reports of failing 2007WFPs (only some of the e*** value models). Deep-down gamma adjustment is at the mercy of the panel manufacturer (LG Philips LCD) and they tend to be great in that regard. The panels Dell gets may be less uniform but the uniformity on my 2007FP was excellent. If it was between the 2007WFP and the LCD2070NX I would probably take a chance on the 2007WFP, because the 20" widescreen S-IPS panel is quite a bit better than the 20" 4:3 one. Additionally, you get more video inputs and features. I prefer NEC's OSD over Dell's, but that's just the way it goes. Of course, if you want NEC and 20" widescreen, I'm sure you know what LCD to get, right? Weren't you somebody who said you didn't want a glossy screen or no? My purchasing logic goes like this:

1. get the best quality and best price if possible (obvious)
2. get the best image quality/value at expense of build quality
3. get the best build quality at expense of image quality/value

Maybe yours isn't the same. If yours is like mine, get the 2007WFP. If it's the other way around, get the LCD2070NX, simple as that. Well, maybe it's not so simple since Dell is doing the panel lottery. If it weren't for that it would be an easy choice. I just wasn't wholly impressed by the image quality of the 20" 4:3 S-IPS screen (compared to the 20" wide one). The main disadvantage I see with S-PVA is viewing angle. Other than that, they have great contrast and are generally fairly uniform. The 1905 and 2405 were first-generation PVAs (4 domain). S-PVA is a better type, at least by a little bit.

 

[DasFox]

Ok Zebo is pulling NEC and xtknight is pulling Dell, LOL

Ahhhh the joys of buying an LCD.

Hey wait xtknight you said this before:


The NEC (16ms) should definitely be fast enough for movies. Just go with that. Good brand, good color reproduction, decent response time, extremely wide viewing angle.

Would gaming be ok on the NEC?

Ahh I'm really pulling teeth here over trying to come to grips on a Dell.

I'm really a NEC, Samsung man.

ALOHA

 

[xtknight]

Just go with the 2007WFP. Never mind, go with the LCD2070NX. Actually the L2000C sounds good. Oh, what about the HP L2065?

I don't know. Just pick something. You're getting the 30" soon anyway.

The NEC 2070NX is just barely good enough for gaming IMO. I'm sure Zebo wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole for gaming, but I do recommend it for gaming/better color. Here is a response time graph of it:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20inch_4.html

What monitor do you have now? That'll help determine if the response time will be OK.

 

[Zebo]

HP, LG and NEC are all top choices. All glorious S-IPS all quick enough for gaming and movies compared to competition. Dell is ok if you get the 'right' one. I stand by my claim are panels are not created equal and NEC goes for the best grade and has better internals. There seems to be quite a price disparity with HP falling in around $400, NEC around $490 and LG $550... if you can warm up to HP's ergonomics seems to be the best chocie. I'd Pick NEC but I'm sold after two great experiances which may not reflect 2070's potential.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Just go with the 2007WFP. Never mind, go with the LCD2070NX. Actually the L2000C sounds good. Oh, what about the HP L2065?

I don't know. Just pick something. You're getting the 30" soon anyway.

The NEC 2070NX is just barely good enough for gaming IMO. I'm sure Zebo wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole for gaming, but I do recommend it for gaming/better color. Here is a response time graph of it:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20inch_4.html

What monitor do you have now? That'll help determine if the response time will be OK.

LOL Xbit says it has very low response time.. as usual NEC tell the truth better while other makers in that test don't... 16ms NEC's and Dell's beat so called 6 and 8ms samsungs.. how do you explain this? Also notice the flatter curve cross spectrum which is better.


Would I game on it? Well I can barley stand the fastest LCD's so probably not but compared to competition 2070 is'nt bad and most will be happy.

 

[DasFox]

I don't have a LCD right now.

But so far I have tried the Apple 23", Samsung 215TW, Viewsonic VX2025wm and VX2235wm and the last one I played with was a Samsung 940BN

xtknight, LOL, pick this, no pick that, or hell just pick something for gosh sakes.

So yes this will not be the ultimate LCD for my GameRig, but will eventually be my WorkRig LCD


ROFL

 

[xtknight]

Well how did you think those LCDs (Apple 23", Samsung 215TW, Viewsonic VX2025wm, VX2235wm, 940BN) performed in games?

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well how did you think those LCDs (Apple 23", Samsung 215TW, Viewsonic VX2025wm, VX2235wm, 940BN) performed in games?

The apple seemed the nicest, and the contrast in the other panels seemed a bit washed out in low light, darker areas of a map, like if you where playing a FPS game you couldn't make out the detail as well on the guns, and the map area again didn't show good contrast.

So overall I'd have to say the ACD was much better.

ALOHA

 

[Zebo]

I don't see how 2070NX could be using the LM201U04 anymore since it's not being made anymore. the 05 is it's replacement, the 04 is not even on LGP site anymore. If you want I will email guy at NEC for you and ask him for sure but I'm thinking it uses the 05 too. I think the 05 is brighter mainly and a maybe a little faster ( they also switched to talking about grey to grey reponse instead of on/off to keep up with the other marketing liars) but i think it's same speed.

 

[DasFox]

Someone mentioned this on Hardocp over the Dell:

1. S-IPS panel with banding problem gone from desktop mode (and not really noticeable when using other modes)
2. Composite, S-video inputs as well as 4 usb ports
3. Scaling including 1:1, 4:3 and "fill"
4. 3 year warranty parts/labor and return for refund within 21 days

So it sounds like there is a 3 yr on it?

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[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see how 2070NX could be using the LM201U04 anymore since it's not being made anymore. the 05 is it's replacement, the 04 is not even on LGP site anymore. If you want I will email guy at NEC for you and ask him for sure but I'm thinking it uses the 05 too. I think the 05 is brighter mainly and a little faster ( they also switched to talking about grey to grey reponse instead of on/off to keep up with the other marketing liars) but i think it's same speed.

Zebo ok great THANKS, please do, then the NEC would be faster if it's using the new revision. If that's true then I'll just grab it.


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