PlatinumGold
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: alchemize
Show me where 1000's die every day due to not having healthcare coverage. Back up your assertion. Because you can't, it isn't true.Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: alchemize
My 3 day old son was taken for his checkup to his pediatrician. He was more blue than the Dr. liked, so he called the pediatric cardiologist that was on call and we took him over to his office. After performing a echocardiogram he determined he had a heart condition (transposition of the great arteries). Testing his oxygen, he found it was very low. We walked him up 2 flights of stairs to a level 4 trauma center pediatric ICU. He went into emergency surgery with one of the best pediatric heart surgeons in the country.
I guarantee you that with nationalized healthcare, my son would be dead. You won't find a level 4 trauma center with a top pediatric heart surgeon in a town of 100,000 in any socialized healthcare system. He probably would have died while we sat in queue for a pediatric cardiologist to diagnose him.
Everyone know that if you are Canadian and have a cold, you go to your Canadian doctor. If you have advanced cancer, heart conditions, etc., you come to the US doctor.
1 case vs the thousands that die every day due to not having healthcare coverage.
hmmmm.
i feel bad for your son, but that is not an argument FOR or AGAINST national healthcare.
What is medicare/medicaid? Walk into any emergency room without medical coverage, you won't be denied treatment, they can't deny you treatment.
And my 1 case just happened to be one of 14 kids in the PICU while I was there. 14 per week, that's 728 per year. For one small town. Lives saved because of advanced healthcare. And I know FOR A FACT that at least 3 or 4 of those kids did not have medical coverage.
Try again.
i don't have to back up anything.
you obviously missed my point. it is obvioulsy harder to quantify how many are dying do to lack of national healthcare plan. we do know that the US ranks 37th according to UN for overall health.
also your numbers are just as contrived. IF we did have national healthcare the specialist you mentioned would be LESS accessible but not necessarily TOTALLY UNACCESSIBLE. hence it is not a direct correlation. it would not be every child in PICU would end up dead.
again, when discussing national Healtcare, individual cases like yours are GREAT for getting the liberals to tear up, but they don't add significantly to the discussion.
So when you said 1000's die every day due to no healthcare, were you lying? Is that why you don't have to back it up? Saying 1000's die every day is GREAT for getting folks to tear up, but it doesn't add significantly to our discussion (since it is false).
You certainly can't use the UN's ranking for overall health. Health is a reflection of lifestyle, not healthcare. The US provides the most advanced healthcare in the world. Hence we all feel as if we can go to buffets, smoke, not exercise, and stress out over work because we know lots of the times healthcare will save us. hence it is not a direct correlation. A bit of personal responsibility in our country would do wonders for healthcare costs.
And again, I can assure you that under national healthcare, a superior cardiac ped surgeon would be unavailable to my community. All we need to do is look north to recognize this.
PS you all missed a chance to prove me stupid It's a Level 1 trauma center, 1 is the best, 4 is the lowest. Making edits to above posts...not sure where I got the 4 in my mind from...
WRONG,
US provides the MOST ADVANCED healthcare in the WORLD ONLY to those that can AFFORD IT.
again. general statements can be made and YES the point of the 1000's die every day was just to counter you own tear jerking story.
did i LIE, NO, not knowingly. I GUESSTIMATED and is it true? causation etc etc is hard to prove, but i don't have to prove it here. whethor it is a LIE or not is really based on ACTUAL Truth not PERCEPTION of truth.