Nearly 1 in 4 fails military exam -basic math, science, reading, physical

[OOBradm]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

YOU REALLY ARE A MORON!

A GOOD teacher would get the class of people who don't care and don't want to learn anything motivated to learn the subject at hand. A good teacher would inspire the students.

Fuck, man. Just watch Stand and Deliver (1988). Good example.

Of course you think everything is upon the students to be motivated, to want to learn, to want to do everything and anything to please their superiors. Kids don't come out of the womb sayin', "FUCK YEAH, I WANNA LEARN CALCULUS 'CAUSE THAT SHIT IS AWESOME." They get told that by their good teachers and then they're like, "Alright, maybe this guy is onto something... Shit, this stuff isn't so bad. Calculus actually is kinda cool now that my teacher has made it so amazing."

The student should be motivated to learn so he can get a successful job and make something of himself. Shouldn't that be enough motivation? If you want it, go get it. If you don't want it, wash my dishes.

 

[drum]

someone once asked me if an integer was a honda....

everyone knows the integer is an Acura :biggrin:

 

[dainthomas]

I took it pretty recently and it was computerized. You could move to the next section instantaneously if you wanted. I think I finished the whole thing in under an hour, but I really have no idea because I didn't have my cell phone or watch or anything with me.

I can't imagine how little people must pay attention in school to not score at least a 31.

My four year old could pound on the keyboard and get higher than a 30. I really have to wonder how anyone possessing the mental skills to breathe could possibly fail that.

 

[olds]

Even still 2 + 1.999 doesn't equal 4 regardless of how long the .9999999's go on. It wasn't a calculus problem it was basic math. They don't have calculus on the military entrance exams.

When I tested, they had logarithms. I'd never seen one before.

 

[TridenT]

everyone knows the integer is an Acura :biggrin:

It's different in Japan.

 

[Modelworks]

If people are scoring low on the ASVAB then that is a bad sign of the educational system. I scored a 98 on the test and had a gpa of about 2.8, I was one of those kids bored in school, but the test was not hard.

The physical part is a huge problem now, it wasn't then. This was 1988 so about 22 years ago. I don't recall anyone in my company during basic that had a weight problem. The most we had were people that hadn't run a lot and would be okay for short runs but a long run would get out of breath. After enough training that went away.

I think it was 60 minutes that had a feature last month about overweight kids wanting to enlist. They said one third were turned away for being too fat. Those that wanted to still enlist were put in exercise and diet programs to try to help them lose the weight so they could join. That is pretty sad but everywhere you look in the USA you see overweight people.

 

[alkemyst]

What? What the heck did they do in schools for 12 years?

Story = http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101221/ap_on_re_us/us_military_exam

I think 90% of them end up in P&N.

 

[TridenT]

I think 90% of them end up in P&N.

I lol'd.

 

[Fayd]

no it aint

yes, it is.

 

[Train]

I don't see where it says anything about normalized scores. You have to get 31/99 correct to pass that stage. It's a straight percentage. If you know something about the test that isn't stated in the article, that's no reflection on me.

wtf? do you know what a percentile is?

EDIT: read before you respond:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Battery

 

[Acanthus]

I was a terrible student in HS and got a 98 on the ASVAB.

I had never taken physics, chemistry, or any form of advanced math beyond basic algebra.

My GPA was 2.34. I almost didn't graduate on time.

 

[lxskllr]

wtf? do you know what a percentile is?

EDIT: read before you respond:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Battery

Of course I do, and the article didn't mention anything at all about the method of score computation. I'm guessing you did poorly on the word knowledge, and paragraph comprehension sections. Don't feel bad. Apparently you have plenty of company :^)

 

[AeroEngy]

Of course I do, and the article didn't mention anything at all about the method of score computation. I'm guessing you did poorly on the word knowledge, and paragraph comprehension sections. Don't feel bad. Apparently you have plenty of company :^)

It Explains it clearly in the article

...In 2002 it underwent a major revision. In 2004, the test's percentile ranking scoring system was re-normalized, to ensure that a score of 50% really did represent doing better than exactly 50% of test-takers....
...Examinees also receive a score on what is called the Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT)...
...An AFQT percentile score indicates the percentage of examinees in a reference group that scored at or below that particular score. For current AFQT scores, the reference group is a sample of 18 to 23 year old youth who took the ASVAB as part of a national norming study conducted in 1997. Thus, an AFQT score of 90 indicates that the examinee scored as well as or better than 90% of the nationally-representative sample of 18 to 23 year old youth. An AFQT score of 50 indicates that the examinee scored as well as or better than 50% of the nationally-representative sample.

 

[Bryf50]

Even still 2 + 1.999 doesn't equal 4 regardless of how long the .9999999's go on. It wasn't a calculus problem it was basic math. They don't have calculus on the military entrance exams.

I still don't get why people cant wrap their heads around this 1.999 with infinite 9s equals 2. There is no debate, no argument, and nothing you can say that would make it not. Its 1.999... ways to write the same thing.

 

[lxskllr]

It Explains it clearly in the article

That wasn't in the OP, now was it? So the TL/DR crowd is now getting on my ass because reading the linked article isn't enough? I guess I'm supposed to thoroughly research everything posted in OT now, no matter how unimportant the post is to my life? I was satisified with the 25% couldn't do well enough to get in the army. Anything short of 100% success reflects badly on the quality of students our schools are turning out. Anyone who can't get through the ASVAB is functionally retarded.

 

[Train]

That wasn't in the OP, now was it? So the TL/DR crowd is now getting on my ass because reading the linked article isn't enough? I guess I'm supposed to thoroughly research everything posted in OT now, no matter how unimportant the post is to my life? I was satisified with the 25% couldn't do well enough to get in the army. Anything short of 100% success reflects badly on the quality of students our schools are turning out. Anyone who can't get through the ASVAB is functionally retarded.

Yet now that you DO know it is a percetile based system.. why do you still act as if it's not? Just to cling to your original post?

 

[rpanic]

They didn't have the test in spanish or ebonics thats all.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

They didn't have the test in spanish or ebonics thats all.

If three of your homies is shot...

 

[rpanic]

If three of your homies is shot...

If three o' yo' homies iz smok'd you know das right!

 

[lxskllr]

Yet now that you DO know it is a percetile based system.. why do you still act as if it's not? Just to cling to your original post?

WTF are you talking about? What does that have to do with the OP? Everything I've posted has been in reference to the OP. The fact is no one that gets through high school should be failing the ASVAB, not a single person :^S

Edit:
How it started...

Getting a 31 on the test means you did better than 31% of the people who took it the last time they normalized the score... Sigh... People who think they're smart talking about things they don't know about only look stupid. ~30% are expected to fail based on how they grade it. Although yes you have to essentially be mentally retarded to fail it.

I don't see where it says anything about normalized scores. You have to get 31/99 correct to pass that stage. It's a straight percentage. If you know something about the test that isn't stated in the article, that's no reflection on me.

Reading comprehension. It's not just for tests....

 

[Train]

WTF are you talking about?

The ASVAB

What does that have to do with the OP?

Because the OP is about the ASVAB

Everything I've posted has been in reference to the OP. The fact is no one that gets through high school should be failing the ASVAB, not a single person :^S

So are you saying high schools should focus on graduating only the top 68% percent of all students, regardless of how well they did?

 

[lxskllr]

So are you saying high schools should focus on graduating only the top 68% percent of all students, regardless of how well they did?

I'm saying that when I get in the 90th percentile in math, and suck at math, nobody that gets out of high school should be below 30th percentile. I don't know who they're testing to get the results, but if that's a reflective cross section of the population. we're all fucked.

 

[bobdole369]

ROFL - I know SO many people who STRUGGLED with the ASVAB. I scored 97 on that thing it was easier than a 5th grade geography test.

 

[Train]

I'm saying that when I get in the 90th percentile in math, and suck at math, nobody that gets out of high school should be below 30th percentile. I don't know who they're testing to get the results, but if that's a reflective cross section of the population. we're all fucked.

You STILL do not get what a percentile is. And I totally believe that you suck at math.

Do you realize that it's possible you could have gotten 90% of the math questions right, get rated at 90th percentile, and someone else could have gotten 85% of the math questions right, and get rated at 30th percentile?

 

[lxskllr]

You STILL do not get what a percentile is. And I totally believe that you suck at math.

Do you realize that it's possible you could have gotten 90% of the math questions right, get rated at 90th percentile, and someone else could have gotten 85% of the math questions right, and get rated at 30th percentile?

Yea, because I'm sure the spread's that close where a 5% difference in test scoring makes a 60% difference in population scoring. Tell me another one :^S