Near death experiences for atheists or agnostics

[Eli]

Supposedly, when you have a NDE as an atheist, you convert, so.....

:lol;

 

[RESmonkey]

No, I don't fear death.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JohnCU
has an agnostic or atheist here ever had a NDE? i haven't really, but there are times where i felt so sick that i got scared and prayed that god would help me, even though i don't believe in him, weird.

People who don't believe still seem to call out to God on their death beds. Odd, isn't it?

No, what's really odd is the number of people who claim to believe in the great cosmic muffin who, when they have an accident or heart attack call a doctor, an ambulance or the fire department before they start praying. When push comes to shove even the most fervent bible-thumpers call the trained professionals first and the invisible man in the sky second. Odd, isn't it?

You're getting off on a tangent. I presume in a mocking tone that you are saying anyone who believes in God should pray for him to come down and save them and not rely on those who are on this Earth to help us?
Imagine, someone who doesn't even believe presuming to know that someone who does believe wouldn't be praying first as they call for help and not after. Not odd at all. Expected.

Not a tangent at all. That's a common and ill-conceived defense from anyone that uses an inane example to attempt to prove a tenuous point and gets it thrown back in their face.

You find it odd that atheists cry out to god in times of stress and I find it odd that believers call out to man rather than god. But to take your silly question and throw it back in your face again, I'm not saying that the wannabelievers should not rely on those here on earth, any sensible person would surely take the guys in the big red truck with the flashing lights over the invisible man in the sky. What I'm questioning is why all those of you who believe that God can help them and will help them still call the humans first and then contact the other guy only when the trained professionals are on the way. Can't god stop a heart attack a lot quicker than a defibrillator? Can't god put out a fire quicker than a hose? Why call the supposedly least capable help first and then call the guy who can fix things in a nanosecond later on? If you truly had faith in god to provide why not just pray for the fire truck rather than relying on 911? That's what I find odd. You don't find it odd that people who believe in omnipotent help from above put more faith in mundane help from here.

Let's say you're trapped in a burning car after a traffic accident and you don't have a cell phone when some joker like me walks by. Said joker wants to test your faith and offers to either call 911 so that they can come rescue you or he'll join you in prayer to ask god to rescue you. You can have one or the other, but not both. Which would you take? If you claim you'd take the prayer you're a bald-faced liar. That's what I find odd. You claim to believe, you want to believe, but when the chips are down your faith in 911 is a hell of a lot stronger than your faith in the invisible man in the sky.

Very odd indeed.

After reading your signature it's obvious to me that there is no reason for me to continue to waste my time replying to you. What good would it do? It would just enable you to continue to bash something you feel you are an expert on.

Am I right?

He's right though. It is very odd indeed.

Infact, the general public becomes outraged when, for example, a family keeps a child from simple health care because of their faith. It is prosecutable in the event of a death.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I remember coming across this book about a guy who was pronounced dead for over 12 hours (maybe even longer, I forget). He came back and ended up writing a book about his heavenly experiences. I'm not religious, but there are just some things science cant explain... so yeah until someone can prove me wrong, I'm not going to rule out of the possibility that there is a God.

Actually science can explain it. When close to death the body rushes blood to the brain in order to preserve life. You can have some pretty powerful dream sequences while unconscious.

no
science tries to explain it
no one knows what's going on - they can only see correlations

 

[So]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
has an agnostic or atheist here ever had a NDE? i haven't really, but there are times where i felt so sick that i got scared and prayed that god would help me, even though i don't believe in him, weird.

We humans will grasp at any straw in times of need. As a member of a society that deeply imposes a belief in a god, it is unsurprising that many atheists and agnostics resort to the "bargaining" tactic when they feel helpless. It doesn't mean their professed disbelief is dishonest, it simply means they're human.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I remember coming across this book about a guy who was pronounced dead for over 12 hours (maybe even longer, I forget). He came back and ended up writing a book about his heavenly experiences. I'm not religious, but there are just some things science cant explain... so yeah until someone can prove me wrong, I'm not going to rule out of the possibility that there is a God.

Actually science can explain it. When close to death the body rushes blood to the brain in order to preserve life. You can have some pretty powerful dream sequences while unconscious.

no
science tries to explain it
no one knows what's going on - they can only see correlations

This response is little more than putting your hands on your ears and yelling "lalalalala" when faced with evidence you don't like.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JohnCU
has an agnostic or atheist here ever had a NDE? i haven't really, but there are times where i felt so sick that i got scared and prayed that god would help me, even though i don't believe in him, weird.

People who don't believe still seem to call out to God on their death beds. Odd, isn't it?

No, what's really odd is the number of people who claim to believe in the great cosmic muffin who, when they have an accident or heart attack call a doctor, an ambulance or the fire department before they start praying. When push comes to shove even the most fervent bible-thumpers call the trained professionals first and the invisible man in the sky second. Odd, isn't it?

You're getting off on a tangent. I presume in a mocking tone that you are saying anyone who believes in God should pray for him to come down and save them and not rely on those who are on this Earth to help us?
Imagine, someone who doesn't even believe presuming to know that someone who does believe wouldn't be praying first as they call for help and not after. Not odd at all. Expected.

Not a tangent at all. That's a common and ill-conceived defense from anyone that uses an inane example to attempt to prove a tenuous point and gets it thrown back in their face.

You find it odd that atheists cry out to god in times of stress and I find it odd that believers call out to man rather than god. But to take your silly question and throw it back in your face again, I'm not saying that the wannabelievers should not rely on those here on earth, any sensible person would surely take the guys in the big red truck with the flashing lights over the invisible man in the sky. What I'm questioning is why all those of you who believe that God can help them and will help them still call the humans first and then contact the other guy only when the trained professionals are on the way. Can't god stop a heart attack a lot quicker than a defibrillator? Can't god put out a fire quicker than a hose? Why call the supposedly least capable help first and then call the guy who can fix things in a nanosecond later on? If you truly had faith in god to provide why not just pray for the fire truck rather than relying on 911? That's what I find odd. You don't find it odd that people who believe in omnipotent help from above put more faith in mundane help from here.

Let's say you're trapped in a burning car after a traffic accident and you don't have a cell phone when some joker like me walks by. Said joker wants to test your faith and offers to either call 911 so that they can come rescue you or he'll join you in prayer to ask god to rescue you. You can have one or the other, but not both. Which would you take? If you claim you'd take the prayer you're a bald-faced liar. That's what I find odd. You claim to believe, you want to believe, but when the chips are down your faith in 911 is a hell of a lot stronger than your faith in the invisible man in the sky.

Very odd indeed.

After reading your signature it's obvious to me that there is no reason for me to continue to waste my time replying to you. What good would it do? It would just enable you to continue to bash something you feel you are an expert on.

Am I right?

You can be as dismissive as you want, but he has as much of a point as you do.

 

[So]

I've always wondered why people still try to use those few things that are unexplained by science to justify god, ignoring the fact that everywhere the light of science has shown, god has evaporated. As we speak, neurologists are slowly banishing him from the brain, and the "soul" seems to be ever shrinking.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Eli
He's right though. It is very odd indeed.

Infact, the general public becomes outraged when, for example, a family keeps a child from simple health care because of their faith. It is prosecutable in the event of a death.

"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate." - Carl Sagan

 

[SlickSnake]

This is one of those topics that pops up around here every so often. I think NDEs happen more often than you might be consciously aware of. Daily even. But I will leave that up to the individual to figure out. What fun would it be if I gave all my secrets away for free?

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