NDA for Cayman is lifted 22nd?!

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taltamir

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so... its the 22nd yet the NDA still hasn't lifted as far as I can tell (no anandtech revew, etc).
is it only on midnight? has it been delayed? is it the 22 of december?
 

chewietobbacca

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The 22nd was an error. The polish site presented it (22nd was the original NDA date I think) but then pulled it casue they did it in error
 

3DVagabond

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apoppin, reviewer for Alienbabbletech, showed us an email from AMD saying it had been extended to the 13th Dec.
 

DaveSimmons

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This.

There was also no mention of the fact that the EVGA FTW model used doesn't come with an available lifetime warranty that is one of EVGA's selling points.

It was akward for Anandtech to bend to nVidia's will on the inclusion of a limited run ultra high OC'd card.

I doubt it will happen again. Whether anandtech decides to use crap like this in future reviews will be the answer to what most of us are wondering. Was it a good or poor choice to accomodate nvidia's wishes for how to present the review of a competitors new GPU release?

The quote above lays the reasoning for why a lot of guys feel it was a poor choice.

1. The FTW has the same 2-year warranty as my Sapphire Radeon 6850.
2. The FTW is still in stock at Newegg, one month later, despite the "limited run" claims.
3. The FTW is guaranteed to run at the factory set speed for the warranty period, just like my 6850.
4. The review clearly explained that the card was not a stock 460. Anyone confused enough to buy a stock 460 expecting that performance would also be dim-witted enough to be confused by the inclusion of two different stock cards (1GB and 768MB) in the review.
5. Anand explained clearly that they did not "bend to nvidia's will," and frankly I trust his statement about this issue more than your opinion about it.

It's your opinion that the FTW should not have been included, but I disagree: It was useful information that helped me choose my video card (a Radeon 6850).
 

dunno99

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What's the possibility that the 6970 ships with a 512 bit bus? While it's not impossible to use higher density chips, but from past history ATi's default specs usually sticks with some sort of memory bus to memory size ratio, and allow the vendors to go above that.

Of course, it's also entire possible that this is purely to differentiate the 69X0 from the 68X0. But one has to wonder why the slides show that the design goals of Cayman is "More bandwidth", and has a "Dual bidirectional DMA engines for faster system memory reads & writes." (I'm assuming "system" means to the GPU memory, rather than main memory...since main memory bandwidth over PCI-E is rather useless for anything other than initial setup latency and command issues) (I'm also guessing that non-69X0 only has a single bidirectional DMA engine?)
 

Daedalus685

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Sadly with the supply (I guess) issues the 6800 series is completely noncompetitive with the 460s... unless people are actually buying them in droves and merchants are jacking up the old mark up.

The 460 superclocked is actually less expensive than most 6850s here right now.
 

rgallant

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-1. The FTW has the same 2-year warranty as my Sapphire Radeon 6850.

- so it only has to work for two years ? I think your missing the point of the fact they took away the lifetime warranty -not a standard product for evga -read binned chips\cards , used on a new\first release of amd cards using beta\first drivers.
-the FTW didn't need to be in the charts as the oc 68xx did not make it in there ,being a 68xx review ,not a nv one.
-it would be like being at wedding to take the wedding photo's for the couple , but you only took pictures of a brides maid because she was hot.
 

bryanW1995

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We went through this gymnastics few times already, regardless of how many mincy little NV trolls keep pushing the BS here... :)

BTW you are really awful at reading AND interpreting words. :) Please, read my points again, I'm sure you can do it, don't give up... :D HINT: I called 35% nonsense and I named the usual _real_ margin. ;)



Most likely they will simply apply the same slimming trick on GTX460/570 they did on the fat, sweaty and still kinda slow Fermi... :awe:

how about just giving us some links instead of insulting me? and who determines the "usual real margin", you?
 

bryanW1995

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May 22, 2007
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So long as they are similarly priced i don't see what the problem is in including OC parts? If AMD isn't going to keep up with factory OC models its their loss.

I may sound bias at times but i use both NV and ATI cards. Best bang for buck (obviously power draw matters, where i live, electricity = $$$) to me is the winner.

Edit: Bryan, its ok, you can have balls to name names.

no, I don't want to get an infraction for calling anybody a poser at best and liar at worst. that sort of thing is not what we're here for.

however, since you and I are having a friendly conversation right now, I am curious about the magic driver for 68x0. When is it coming out, 2017?


guys, the negative rhetoric, please dial it down a notch or two on the dial for the sake of the rest of us, thanks, topic here is Cayman.

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Teizo

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The scoundrels had the lowly little 5770 in there too!!! [/sarc]

Come on, mate. It's not at all the same thing. They also had the GTX-480 on the list. They didn't specifically measure the 460 as a direct competitor at the request of AMD. That was just a list of modern cards.
Hey, I don't give a crap either way. I'm just pointing something out some people are too willing to overlook. It was an overclock round up on the 6850, and everything was all well and good until the last line of the review. There was no need to put such a statement in the review if the review was not intended to compare the two cards. Why make such a statement?

So, if people are going to moan over an overclocked 460 which was at a competing price point in the initial review, they should also ask that before such conclusions are drawn, the card being 'kicked to the curb' should be represented equally and fairly.
 

Skurge

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no, I don't want to get an infraction for calling anybody a poser at best and liar at worst. that sort of thing is not what we're here for.

however, since you and I are having a friendly conversation right now, I am curious about the magic driver for 68x0. When is it coming out, 2017?

Are you crazy? The world ends in December 2012. AMD are just waiting to sneak up on nV at the last possible moment and release it the day before the world and and take the crown for the final time.
 

Arkadrel

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...Guys thread is going way off track, with this talk about the 460 oc cards, review site methodes and flameing thats happending here.

I dont think the NDA for cayman was lifted :)

Some sneaky ah heck had one of those tiny camras or something and took pictures and now theyre all over the net.
Which is probably why AMD arnt useing final values for the amount of memory bandwidth/SIMDs/Texture units, they antisipated for something like this, even though I admit... I dont see the harm in any of this leaking even if it did have the final numbers.
 

3DVagabond

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Hey, I don't give a crap either way. I'm just pointing something out some people are too willing to overlook. It was an overclock round up on the 6850, and everything was all well and good until the last line of the review. There was no need to put such a statement in the review if the review was not intended to compare the two cards. Why make such a statement?

So, if people are going to moan over an overclocked 460 which was at a competing price point in the initial review, they should also ask that before such conclusions are drawn, the card being 'kicked to the curb' should be represented equally and fairly.

I guess you're right. That 15MHz O/C totally skews the results, just like the the 175MHz O/C for the 460 FTW. Same thing. I'm sure it was done at AMD's request too.
 

MrK6

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Wow, how quickly people forget issues or blur the lines (on purpose or not). Having an overclocked card in the Anandtech 6850/6870 review was not the problem. If Anandtech had taken any GTX 460 sample and said "hey guys, we cranked the clocks on the 460 and added it to the charts for the comparison since it's a direct competitor and we know GTX 460's clock well, yada yada yada" I think they would have been thumbed up/high-fived for an enlightening review. The problem was that Anandtech specifically went against its editorial policy simply because NVIDIA asked them too. That really makes me, and I'm sure many others, question their journalistic integrity. Maybe it was just a bad call and they've learned their lesson, we all make them; however, that still doesn't stop me from asking what else they might or have caved in on as well.
 

busydude

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Is that right? How do you figure? And please don't link me to one of T2k's posts.

There you go:

As we mentioned on the front page of this article, AMD and NVIDIA don’t officially have competing products at the same price points. The 6870 and 6850 are more expensive than the GTX 460 1GB and 768MB respectively, and above the 6870 is the GTX 470. However NVIDIA is particularly keen to have a competitor to the 6870 that isn’t a GTX 470, and so they’re pushing a 2nd option: a factory overclocked GTX 460 1GB.


As a matter of editorial policy we do not include overclocked cards on general reviews. As a product, reference cards will continue to be produced for quite a while, with good products continuing on for years. Overclocked cards on the other hand come and go depending on market conditions, and even worse no two overclocked cards are alike. If we did normally include overclocked cards, our charts would be full of cards that are only different by 5MHz.

However with the 6800 launch NVIDIA is pushing the overclocked GTX 460 option far harder than we’ve seen them push overclocked cards in the past –we had an EVGA GTX 460 1GB FTW on our doorstep before we were even back from Los Angeles. Given how well the GTX 460 overclocks and how many heavily overclocked cards there are on the market, we believe there is at least some merit to NVIDIA’s arguments, so in this case we went ahead and included the EVGA card in our review. As a reference point it's clocked at 850Mhz and 4GHz memory versus 675MHz core and 3.6MHz memory for a stock GTX 460, giving it a massive 26% core overclock and a much more moderate 11% memory overclock.

Edit: Mrk6 beat me to it.
 

happy medium

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Given how well the GTX 460 overclocks and how many heavily overclocked cards there are on the market, we believe there is at least some merit to NVIDIA’s arguments,

So whats the problem? Same price point right? Highly avalable right? Are you just saying they should have called it a gtx460.5?

If I felt that strongly about Anandtech and there bias , I cetainly would not post in there forums.
 

blastingcap

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Naw, I just worded the search phrase to make it easy to find. :awe:


No offense taken at my end. :thumbsup:

I'd take pride at a Google top hit! Unless it was for a search for "complete idiot" or "ugly SOB" or something. ;)
 

MrK6

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So whats the problem? Same price point right? Highly avalable right? Are you just saying they should have called it a gtx460.5?

If I felt that strongly about Anandtech and there bias , I cetainly would not post in there forums.
Of course you would if you're biased in the same respect (i.e. towards NVIDIA). If you can't see anything wrong with Anandtech going against their "editorial policy" simply because a company asked them to, then you have no place in this discussion.