NCAA football = NFL Minor League??

[RU482]

Maurice Clarett's lawsuit against the NFL

what a douche..."Oooo, change the rules for me since I lied to investigators and Ohio State suspended me"

 

[Kev]

this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

 

[Codewiz]

I wish he would just go away........

He takes no personal responsibility and isn't mature enough to make it in the NFL.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Kev
this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

I'm not so sure. Why is it idiotic? If you know the NFL's rules it's quite possible.

When the rule was adopted in February 1990, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued a press release saying players could only enter the draft after "three full college seasons" had elapsed since their high school graduation.

Now why exactly is the NFL forcing people to play 3 full college season, or atleast sit out 3, after high school? While the NBA, NHL, and MLB all allow you to play at any age and even draft players straight out of high school (or in baseballs case, even in high school!)

Other leagues accept the fact that teams are willing to take the chance on undeveloped young talent, but he NFL is different, for what reason though?

They state in the court papers that NFL supports the NCAA college football system to save the league tens of millions of dollars in development and training.
College football acts in effect as a minor league, for which the NFL incurs no expenses," the lawyers said. "While major league baseball teams each spend an average of $9 million annually for the minor league system, the NFL teams spend virtually nothing on a player development system."

Think about it, it's a good idea

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: redly1
Maurice Clarett's lawsuit against the NFL

what a douche..."Oooo, change the rules for me since I lied to investigators and Ohio State suspended me"

On on hand, yes NCAA football is the NFL's farm system. However, players getting tuition, team meals, free access to training (both weights and coaches to develop their skills) is hardly the slave system Clarett's laywers want to make it out to be. I think that NCAA football players should get a small stipend, just to give them some spending $$.

And unless he makes radical changes in attitude, Clarett will not last in the NFL. If I was a coach, I wouldnt draft him simply due to:
-he is a prima donna (take that, Skoorb!)
-his shoulder injury combined with his knee injury make him seem very injury prone
-doesnt have the size to run with the same style as he did for OSU in the NFL
-fumbles far too often

Much of that can be changed, but he thinks himself to always be the victim, which means he wont work to change it. He is a good college back, to be sure, but I dont think he will be able to run over middle linebackers in the NFL. So unless he changes his attitude, he will remain a douche bag.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Kev
this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

I'm not so sure. Why is it idiotic? If you know the NFL's rules it's quite possible.

When the rule was adopted in February 1990, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued a press release saying players could only enter the draft after "three full college seasons" had elapsed since their high school graduation.

Now why exactly is the NFL forcing people to play 3 full college season, or atleast sit out 3, after high school? While the NBA, NHL, and MLB all allow you to play at any age and even draft players straight out of high school (or in baseballs case, even in high school!)

Other leagues accept the fact that teams are willing to take the chance on undeveloped young talent, but he NFL is different, for what reason though?

They state in the court papers that NFL supports the NCAA college football system to save the league tens of millions of dollars in development and training.
College football acts in effect as a minor league, for which the NFL incurs no expenses," the lawyers said. "While major league baseball teams each spend an average of $9 million annually for the minor league system, the NFL teams spend virtually nothing on a player development system."

Think about it, it's a good idea

I've heard more convincing arguments that it is really about safety and the underdeveloped physical nature of people coming straight out of HS into a sport like Pro Football. Face it, this isn't the same as baseball, or basketball.

Rob

 

[Double Trouble]

LikeLinus's comments are on the money. It's not that I think highly of Clarett or his behavior, but the NFL's policy of simply not allowing someone to play because they haven't been out of school long enough is bogus. It hasn't been challenged in court before, because there's just not that many guys that have the physical skills to play at that level when they're that young anyway -- Clarett may be the exception. Look at B-ball with guys like Garnett, Kobe, Labron etc etc.

I don't think Maurice is going to be a good player because he's not mentally mature enough, but I'm thinking he's ultimately going to win this case against the NFL. Dunno though, time will tell.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: tagej
LikeLinus's comments are on the money. It's not that I think highly of Clarett or his behavior, but the NFL's policy of simply not allowing someone to play because they haven't been out of school long enough is bogus. It hasn't been challenged in court before, because there's just not that many guys that have the physical skills to play at that level when they're that young anyway -- Clarett may be the exception. Look at B-ball with guys like Garnett, Kobe, Labron etc etc.

I don't think Maurice is going to be a good player because he's not mentally mature enough, but I'm thinking he's ultimately going to win this case against the NFL. Dunno though, time will tell.

He had a minor knee injury and a shoulder injury that affected him for 50%+ of the season. How do you think he will fair when LBs like Romanowski are hitting him? better?

Football is not like baseball or basketball, football has a lot of contact. And having boys play against men in not in their best interests. I also think we have seen Clarett show that he has no clue what is in his best interests...

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Kev
this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

I'm not so sure. Why is it idiotic? If you know the NFL's rules it's quite possible.

When the rule was adopted in February 1990, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued a press release saying players could only enter the draft after "three full college seasons" had elapsed since their high school graduation.

Now why exactly is the NFL forcing people to play 3 full college season, or atleast sit out 3, after high school? While the NBA, NHL, and MLB all allow you to play at any age and even draft players straight out of high school (or in baseballs case, even in high school!)

Other leagues accept the fact that teams are willing to take the chance on undeveloped young talent, but he NFL is different, for what reason though?

They state in the court papers that NFL supports the NCAA college football system to save the league tens of millions of dollars in development and training.
College football acts in effect as a minor league, for which the NFL incurs no expenses," the lawyers said. "While major league baseball teams each spend an average of $9 million annually for the minor league system, the NFL teams spend virtually nothing on a player development system."

Think about it, it's a good idea

I've heard more convincing arguments that it is really about safety and the underdeveloped physical nature of people coming straight out of HS into a sport like Pro Football. Face it, this isn't the same as baseball, or basketball.

Rob

Yes a convincing argument, but think of this. Do NFL Teams care more about saving 9 million dollars a year over being worried that some kid straight out of high school might tear an ACL. I can think of about 9 million reasons why the NFL would care more about the first reason. College ball does indeed give them a free development league for essentially free, rather it's on purpose or not.

Clarett is over 18 years old and should have the right to sign with any team that is willing to take a chance on him. But the league overall wont allow it for whatever reason.

Also what happens if a kid is from a foreign country that drop out of high school early to play ball, has past 3 years from behing out of high school. So you're saying as long as he's 3 years out of high school, he should be able to play? Even if he doesn't finish high school. Or is High school now a requirement to play in the NFL? So it really can't be about their physical condition can it?

 

[Lyfer]

He was a freshmen starter last year when they won the national title? He should be able to make it in the NFL if it he can stay healthy. We've only seen him play one year and that prolly wasn't his best season yet. Look at Chris Perry, 3 sub-par seasons with a heismen caliber senior season. BTW look how many losses tOSU has with him starting.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: tagej
LikeLinus's comments are on the money. It's not that I think highly of Clarett or his behavior, but the NFL's policy of simply not allowing someone to play because they haven't been out of school long enough is bogus. It hasn't been challenged in court before, because there's just not that many guys that have the physical skills to play at that level when they're that young anyway -- Clarett may be the exception. Look at B-ball with guys like Garnett, Kobe, Labron etc etc.

I don't think Maurice is going to be a good player because he's not mentally mature enough, but I'm thinking he's ultimately going to win this case against the NFL. Dunno though, time will tell.

He had a minor knee injury and a shoulder injury that affected him for 50%+ of the season. How do you think he will fair when LBs like Romanowski are hitting him? better?

Football is not like baseball or basketball, football has a lot of contact. And having boys play against men in not in their best interests. I also think we have seen Clarett show that he has no clue what is in his best interests...

Noted that BOTH you and Entity say "basketball and baseball" but fail to mention the NHL, which does indeed have a minor league, but you can draft a kid right out of high school. NHL is a brutal sport in itself. So...is it about the body? Or about saving money.

 

[Codewiz]

The funny thing is that having one good year in college means NOTHING. Just look what Ta McClendon did at NCSU his freshman year. He tore teams up. Ask any NCSU fan this year how he did.

He wasn't PHYSICALLY ready to play that many games. His body wore down and this year he was injured 70% of the season. Going to college is what these guys need physically. Not to mention that getting an education can help them on the football field.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Yes a convincing argument, but think of this. Do NFL Teams care more about saving 9 million dollars a year over being worried that some kid straight out of high school might tear an ACL. I can think of about 9 million reasons why the NFL would care more about the first reason. College ball does indeed give them a free development league for essentially free, rather it's on purpose or not.

Clarett is over 18 years old and should have the right to sign with any team that is willing to take a chance on him. But the league overall wont allow it for whatever reason.

Also what happens if a kid is from a foreign country that drop out of high school early to play ball, has past 3 years from behing out of high school. So you're saying as long as he's 3 years out of high school, he should be able to play? Even if he doesn't finish high school. Or is High school now a requirement to play in the NFL? So it really can't be about their physical condition can it?

Can we agree that there would be a higher attrition rate due to physical injuries in the NFL if 18 year olds were in the NFL?

If so, it is in the league's best interest to keep them healthy, if only to maintain the standard of competition. Higher turnover means more players needed, more players means people who before wouldnt have been playing now will be. Clarett, if he played last year for an NFL team instead of OSU, would be lucky to still be walking without crutches.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Kev
this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

I'm not so sure. Why is it idiotic? If you know the NFL's rules it's quite possible.

When the rule was adopted in February 1990, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued a press release saying players could only enter the draft after "three full college seasons" had elapsed since their high school graduation.

Now why exactly is the NFL forcing people to play 3 full college season, or atleast sit out 3, after high school? While the NBA, NHL, and MLB all allow you to play at any age and even draft players straight out of high school (or in baseballs case, even in high school!)

Other leagues accept the fact that teams are willing to take the chance on undeveloped young talent, but he NFL is different, for what reason though?

They state in the court papers that NFL supports the NCAA college football system to save the league tens of millions of dollars in development and training.
College football acts in effect as a minor league, for which the NFL incurs no expenses," the lawyers said. "While major league baseball teams each spend an average of $9 million annually for the minor league system, the NFL teams spend virtually nothing on a player development system."

Think about it, it's a good idea

I've heard more convincing arguments that it is really about safety and the underdeveloped physical nature of people coming straight out of HS into a sport like Pro Football. Face it, this isn't the same as baseball, or basketball.

Rob

Yes a convincing argument, but think of this. Do NFL Teams care more about saving 9 million dollars a year over being worried that some kid straight out of high school might tear an ACL. I can think of about 9 million reasons why the NFL would care more about the first reason. College ball does indeed give them a free development league for essentially free, rather it's on purpose or not.

Clarett is over 18 years old and should have the right to sign with any team that is willing to take a chance on him. But the league overall wont allow it for whatever reason.

Also what happens if a kid is from a foreign country that drop out of high school early to play ball, has past 3 years from behing out of high school. So you're saying as long as he's 3 years out of high school, he should be able to play? Even if he doesn't finish high school. Or is High school now a requirement to play in the NFL? So it really can't be about their physical condition can it?

So you are saying that the NFL which is an independant organization shouldn't be allowed to make their own rules?

Yeah, lets have the government step in on everything. It is their league so they should make the rules. They aren't discriminating against' anyone. They just want players that are more mature physically and mentally. Clarett is neither.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
He was a freshmen starter last year when they won the national title? He should be able to make it in the NFL if it he can stay healthy. We've only seen him play one year and that prolly wasn't his best season yet. Look at Chris Perry, 3 sub-par seasons with a heismen caliber senior season. BTW look how many losses tOSU has with him starting.

He started roughly half the games, due to injuries. I dont see him having a long career.

 

[DieHardware]

CFL=NFL Minor League.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Kev
this is idiotic. i hope he never gets drafted and becomes some drunk, psychotic bum on the side of the street

I'm not so sure. Why is it idiotic? If you know the NFL's rules it's quite possible.

When the rule was adopted in February 1990, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued a press release saying players could only enter the draft after "three full college seasons" had elapsed since their high school graduation.

Now why exactly is the NFL forcing people to play 3 full college season, or atleast sit out 3, after high school? While the NBA, NHL, and MLB all allow you to play at any age and even draft players straight out of high school (or in baseballs case, even in high school!)

Other leagues accept the fact that teams are willing to take the chance on undeveloped young talent, but he NFL is different, for what reason though?

They state in the court papers that NFL supports the NCAA college football system to save the league tens of millions of dollars in development and training.
College football acts in effect as a minor league, for which the NFL incurs no expenses," the lawyers said. "While major league baseball teams each spend an average of $9 million annually for the minor league system, the NFL teams spend virtually nothing on a player development system."

Think about it, it's a good idea

I've heard more convincing arguments that it is really about safety and the underdeveloped physical nature of people coming straight out of HS into a sport like Pro Football. Face it, this isn't the same as baseball, or basketball.

Rob

Yes a convincing argument, but think of this. Do NFL Teams care more about saving 9 million dollars a year over being worried that some kid straight out of high school might tear an ACL. I can think of about 9 million reasons why the NFL would care more about the first reason. College ball does indeed give them a free development league for essentially free, rather it's on purpose or not.

Clarett is over 18 years old and should have the right to sign with any team that is willing to take a chance on him. But the league overall wont allow it for whatever reason.

Also what happens if a kid is from a foreign country that drop out of high school early to play ball, has past 3 years from behing out of high school. So you're saying as long as he's 3 years out of high school, he should be able to play? Even if he doesn't finish high school. Or is High school now a requirement to play in the NFL? So it really can't be about their physical condition can it?

So you are saying that the NFL which is an independant organization shouldn't be allowed to make their own rules?

Yeah, lets have the government step in on everything. It is their league so they should make the rules. They aren't discriminating against' anyone. They just want players that are more mature physically and mentally. Clarett is neither.

I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying it's a valid argument and I don't think his lawyers are "idiots" as some are saying for saying that.

NFL is an organization, but the rules are made by the the NFL, not nessecarily the individual teams. Now you have people that said Clarret would have gone in the Top 5 if he was able to come out, but the NFL wont allow it, but the TEAMS themselves would have taken him?

Also I didn't say anything about the goverment steping in on everything. Clarett has the right to sue though based on the grounds that they are discriminating against him because he didn't play 3 years of college ball or wait 3 years, but that simply isn't true.

Clarett graduated from high school early, on Dec. 11, 2001. That's eight weeks before the 2001 NFL season concluded, including the playoffs. So if one includes the league's 2001 season along with the 2002 and 2003 seasons. But the league still wont allow him to play till 2005?
NFL

The NFL, in its response before Judge Shira A. Scheindlin, does not dispute the actual language as the bylaw as quoted by Clarett's attorneys.
the NFL argues, Tagliabue, as commissioner, has the right to interpret NFL rules in whatever manner he wishes.

So the NFL is making him wait a whole year because they wont include the 2001 season. They want to adapt the rule to fit their own agenda.

Whos right or wrong?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

 

[DieHardware]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

No $h!t Sherlock, but a lot of players honed their skills in the CFL then moved up to the NFL, look at Warren Moon's career, etc. Just like some NHL players played on a much larger Olympic size rink with different rules and still moved up to the NHL (Yashin, etc).

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

No $h!t Sherlock, but a lot of players honed their skills in the CFL then moved up to the NFL, look at Warren Moon's career, etc. Just like some NHL players played on a much larger Olympic size rink with different rules and still moved up to the NHL (Yashin, etc).

Did you happen to miss the point about it being totally funded own it's own, unlike the NBA, NHL, and MLB having their own minor leagues which they fund and support. Also the players move up based on performance with a certain team that has picked them up or drafted them.

Show me where CFL has any of those connections to the NFL. Just because they play the sport, doesn't mean it's connected with it.

Ok? Done calling names?

 

[DieHardware]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

No $h!t Sherlock, but a lot of players honed their skills in the CFL then moved up to the NFL, look at Warren Moon's career, etc. Just like some NHL players played on a much larger Olympic size rink with different rules and still moved up to the NHL (Yashin, etc).

Did you happen to miss the point about it being totally funded own it's own, unlike the NBA, NHL, and MLB having their own minor leagues which they fund and support. Also the players move up based on performance with a certain team that has picked them up or drafted them.

Show me where CFL has any of those connections to the NFL. Just because they play the sport, doesn't mean it's connected with it.

Ok? Done calling names?

Indubitably

CFL and NFL extend agreement

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

No $h!t Sherlock, but a lot of players honed their skills in the CFL then moved up to the NFL, look at Warren Moon's career, etc. Just like some NHL players played on a much larger Olympic size rink with different rules and still moved up to the NHL (Yashin, etc).

Did you happen to miss the point about it being totally funded own it's own, unlike the NBA, NHL, and MLB having their own minor leagues which they fund and support. Also the players move up based on performance with a certain team that has picked them up or drafted them.

Show me where CFL has any of those connections to the NFL. Just because they play the sport, doesn't mean it's connected with it.

Ok? Done calling names?

Indubitably

CFL and NFL extend agreement

The partnership is to help NFL and CFL work together to support the game of football at the grassroots level in Canada. Grassroots initiatives include NFL/CFL High School Coach of the Year and Reebok NFL/CFL Flag Football, an elementary in-school phys-ed program, currently active in more than 1,300 schools.

Good Job at taking something out of context. It's just a joint venture to help keep Canadian Football alive. It's not a minor league.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

I think both the CFL and the NFL worked together on this. While I have no great empathey for the CFL players (they have it pretty easy in terms of gettng a degree) I think they are being more or less exploited. Not egregiously, but exploited none the less. A good football program can generate millions in income for the athletic department of a big university....why should they be unpaid for their time and effort? While some players get scholarships (most people would consider that compensation) not all do. Furthermore, if it is okay to compensate SOME players, they why shouldn't ALL players be compensated? The CFL/NCAA minimize the labor costs for athletic programs. Yet, the same programs can afford to pay $100,000's to head coaches and athletic directors? Sounds foul to me. The NFL just waits for the players to make it healthy out CFL and reaps the benefits of a labor market that is trained, matured, and better documented.

 

[DieHardware]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: DieHardware
CFL=NFL Minor League.

Sorry but thats not true. CFL plays on a different sized field, with different rules. That's like saying the Arena League is a minor league. Also both of those are funded by themselves with no way for the players to move up to the NFL based on performance, like with Minor League baseball and NHL Hockey.

No $h!t Sherlock, but a lot of players honed their skills in the CFL then moved up to the NFL, look at Warren Moon's career, etc. Just like some NHL players played on a much larger Olympic size rink with different rules and still moved up to the NHL (Yashin, etc).

Did you happen to miss the point about it being totally funded own it's own, unlike the NBA, NHL, and MLB having their own minor leagues which they fund and support. Also the players move up based on performance with a certain team that has picked them up or drafted them.

Show me where CFL has any of those connections to the NFL. Just because they play the sport, doesn't mean it's connected with it.

Ok? Done calling names?

Indubitably

CFL and NFL extend agreement

The partnership is to help NFL and CFL work together to support the game of football at the grassroots level in Canada. Grassroots initiatives include NFL/CFL High School Coach of the Year and Reebok NFL/CFL Flag Football, an elementary in-school phys-ed program, currently active in more than 1,300 schools.

Good Job at taking something out of context. It's just a joint venture to help keep Canadian Football alive. It's not a minor league.

Thanks again for pointing out obvious, Captain. Here will this make you feel better?...CFL IMHO=one of the Leagues the NFL draws from.