NBC: Would child sex robots stop ped0philia — or promote it?

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Younigue

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You can't "Rape" a doll. There is no harm in using a doll, regardless of what the configuration of that doll is. Whether a Pedophile is "broken" or not is not what the current data shows. Many Pedophiles, if caught early enough can be reformed, the trick is to catch them while they are young. You also can't Know if a Pedophile can be reformed if you are just going to dismiss any attempt at reformation before it is even attempted.
Oh hell yeah, you're definitely suspect!

Rape a doll? THEY WON'T BE RAPING A DOLL in their sick fuc*ing minds.
 

lxskllr

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Oh hell yeah, you're definitely suspect!

Rape a doll? THEY WON'T BE RAPING A DOLL in their sick fuc*ing minds.
Thought crime is the best crime. Everyone is guilty. More money for corporate prison owners. Won't someone think of the economy?!?!
 

Younigue

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May I ask some questions without you becoming angry with me?
Not likely.

If it's was I raped as a child by an adult the answer is no but 2 of my sisters were. If it's do I have children of my own? No but I have a zillion nieces and nephews. Any other question you might lie to ask, nah I'll probably get mad. Thanks for asking before hand.

I am passionate about this because of my sisters but also because children are helpless. That anyone would prey upon them INFURIATES me!
 
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cytg111

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Nope. Nothing to be gained from feeding them.
What makes a pedo? Its someone who has been molested himself right? How are you gonna break the circle? Killing them after the fact is the same problem with hereditary diseases that kills the host in its forties, that is after the child conceiving years. I think you have to breed an environment where it is ok to call the pedo-line and say "I think I have a problem" - before any kid have been hurt. If a pedo knows he is going to get shot he will never call that line. I want pedophiles eradicated from the planet and I am afraid that you have to go around it smart and not hot headed.
 

Jaskalas

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You can't "Rape" a doll.

Well, we don't have AI... yet. But the toaster comment has to give you pause as to that eventuality. See below.

Thread needs more toasters

I thought you'd never ask.

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Not likely.

If it's was I raped as a child by an adult the answer is no but 2 of my sisters were. If it's do I have children of my own? No but I have a zillion nieces and nephews. Any other question you might lie to ask, nah I'll probably get mad. Thanks for asking before hand.

I am passionate about this because of my sisters but also because children are helpless. That anyone would pretty upon them INFURIATES me!

Then I'll let this pass because there is no good which will come of it. For the little good it does, you do have my sympathy and genuinely best wishes, inadequate as they are.
 
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Younigue

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What makes a pedo? Its someone who has been molested himself right? How are you gonna break the circle? Killing them after the fact is the same problem with hereditary diseases that kills the host in its forties, that is after the child conceiving years. I think you have to breed an environment where it is ok to call the pedo-line and say "I think I have a problem" - before any kid have been hurt. If a pedo knows he is going to get shot he will never call that line. I want pedophiles eradicated from the planet and I am afraid that you have to go around it smart and not hot headed.
Smart is NOT human child looking dolls. In fact that would be beyond stupid.

Yes most pedophiles are the product of pedophilia but not always.
 

Maxima1

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I want to scream in your face because pedophiles CAN NOT be fixed. These dolls would reduce nothing! Pedophiles are broken to such an extent that aids to their purposes are PEDOPHILIA PARAPHERNALIA! Sex toys in the game of honing their skills. Fuc* you for not understanding what I'm saying. There is no moral argument to be had on the side of pedophilia so yes the fact that you want to try and have one.., Your agenda is suspect!

Most pedos never act. The one's who get caught are outliers and not representative.

People commit sexual crimes largely as a result of sexual frustration/tension. Give them the dolls, and the rate of sexual crimes against children would probably decline.
 

UglyCasanova

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Most pedos never act. The one's who get caught are outliers and not representative.

People commit sexual crimes largely as a result of sexual frustration/tension. Give them the dolls, and the rate of sexual crimes against children would probably decline.


I don’t agree. Handing out fleshlights wouldn’t cut down on rapes. Just saying here pretend with this isn’t the same thing and they know it. If anything it would raise their sexual tension and likelihood of deviance by normalizing the behavior and having this thing that raises the topic up in their minds, thus sparking the fuel and making them like it more. I can’t even believe we are debating this to be honest.
 

Maxima1

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This topic is for the even greater offense of pedophilia, which by definition does not apply to those pursuing teenage girls. Even more confused by Alabama's age of consent at 16. I am only aware of one Roy Moore accuser below that age. And even a 14 year old does not fit the subject here. Most of Moore's criminal complaints are a result of assault and/or attempted rape. He is a different kind of predator.

Moreover, much of the endorsement was based on denial, rather than approval of the accused crimes as you are claiming.

The term is often applied to a person who sexually abuses someone below the age of 16 here, since they wouldn't be able to consent (though there are exceptions with marriage oddly). It's just combining hebephiles with pedos, and many of those who are attracted to very young teens would likely find attraction in people a little younger than that.

I don’t agree. Handing out fleshlights wouldn’t cut down on rapes. Just saying here pretend with this isn’t the same thing and they know it. If anything it would raise their sexual tension and likelihood of deviance by normalizing the behavior and having this thing that raises the topic up in their minds, thus sparking the fuel and making them like it more. I can’t even believe we are debating this to be honest.

Again, as I said there are many articles on pornography etc. that point to it being the case. Also, rapists aren't necessarily different than the rest. Disturbingly, surveys of college men show many would rape if they were sure they could get away with it.
 

Younigue

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Most pedos never act. The one's who get caught are outliers and not representative.

People commit sexual crimes largely as a result of sexual frustration/tension. Give them the dolls, and the rate of sexual crimes against children would probably decline.
Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit! They commit these crimes for complete control. COMPLETE DOMINANCE! Sexual frustration? What the Fuc* is wrong with you? How dare you say any such thing? They are SICK! Most pedophiles don't act on it? So you're suggesting those fuc*s who watch that vile shit online but don't act on it (just watch people who ARE ACTING ON IT!!!), give them a realistic looking human child doll/robot? Ever heard of the concept of a gateway drug? Well I don't believe it of marijuana but I sure as shit do on this. The dolls would promote offending! No debate, no doubt!

That you don't understand the difference between sexual frustration/tension and rape/child molestation makes me suspect you're possibly guilty of such a crime. I mean how would you even know? You were just letting off a bit of steam.

You're 100% wrong on this and 100% fuc*ed up!
 
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zinfamous

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https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/949449224181166080


TECHNOLOGY

Would child sex robots stop pedophilia — or promote it? Some say the devices could provide a safe outlet for individuals who are sexually attracted to children.

by David Cox / Jan.04.2018 / 8:26 PM ET


The responses to the tweet restore some hope for humanity.

Not really. The comments seem filled with rage and very little thought beyond the initial "gross!" response to the idea.

Of course it seems gross, but the idea is to actually address and fix a problem that is, by nature, vile and unpleasant for everyone. Because of this, there is a common refusal to understand where pedophilia even comes from. Such commenters are very likely of the mind that merely engaging in the topic somehow makes them amenable to pedophilia. Such people aren't very bright or interesting, imo.

From what I've read, many pedophiles don't actually like that they have this attraction. It's not as if they are unaware that this is wrong, or sick, or how utterly unacceptable it is to act out in such a way. But it is something of a disease, and there are compulsions that their nature will drive them to address. I wouldn't be surprised if many with these same compulsions live their entire lives never being outed, because they manage to not act on them. It's probably more difficult than others.

The question is entirely legitimate, however: will sex child dolls or robots help address these compulsions in people with this disease, and thus reduce incidents of the crime? Obviously, the last question is what really matters. Is it not important to seek an answer for that?

Also, who is being harmed in this experiment? The hypothetical child that is potentially not being raped? The pedophile that is unloading their compulsions on a vacant piece of plastic and rubber? The internet bystander that is immortally offended by the idea? Well, I know the answer to that question and it informs me of whether or not this is worth trying.
 
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zinfamous

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It won’t, it would simply work to normalize it. The pedos would get bored with their dolls and go looking for the real thing.

I cant believe whomever is at the helm at NBC's feed for this allowed this to be published. It’s going to become cannon fodder for those who don’t like NBC and look to attack it, and a screenshot of that tweet will become a meme that we'll see over and over for years.

It is a stupid question for NBC to ask, I mean what the hell..

Porn and even prostitution doesn't work that way and neither does violent video games. Why is this different?
 

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You may not be able to offer any absolute evidence as to why your moral compass is feels superior but I can offer you assurance that to me it is. To me the root of your moral conviction is a manifestation of love. It's what I sense as the root of your position.

Gracious I am. Next time Yoda-speak you use. More effective it is. Hm.
 

zinfamous

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I already said how I know. There is something broken in these people. They are plagued by their desires. There is nothing currently in the realm of psychiatry or medicine that can rehabilitate them. That's not to say that one day the mapping of the brain won't provide a way to fix the sickness within them and Dammit society better back it rather than fight for the human rights of pedophiles even if it means fixing them against their will.

So you're an actual psychiatrist... And you think I want to have or I am even capable of having a reasoned conversation with you on the topic of pedophiles? Kinda drives me batty that you want to discuss my certainty that they cannot be rehabilitated. I'm definitely not a psychiatrist but I have read a lot about this so when I suggested that you know my statement is true... You do know. There is no meaningful affective way to treat/cure a pedophile or serial killer. They've crossed a humanistic barrier and can not/will not be retrieved. But sure let's debate how I know for sure. Not really, I've said what I had to say.

Except this "creep" thing... They're worse than your run of the mill creep. You know this. They are a danger with EVERY breath they take. Even when they appear to be a productive member of society they are constantly angling, obsessing, plotting...

I hate that this thread/topic even exists. I seriously believe anyone thinking child robots could possibly help has their credit cards at the ready for their very own purchase of a raping doll.

The mind is strange, fascinating, and infinitely complex. Only 10 or so years ago, we learned that phantom pain from severed limbs could more or less be eliminated by this ONE NEAT TRICK! No seriously--it is a trick. place a mirror box next to your missing leg, stare at it for several days for certain treatment times, and your brain eventually adjusts to thinking that your leg is still there. Or your arm. So it no longer sends signals in endless, unanswered loops. "why won't the fist stop clenching? I told it to, where is the signal?" It's weird, but so is the brain.

I wonder if sexual compulsions aren't all that dissimilar. Maybe they are and the mechanism isn't related at all--sexual desires, I think, are probably a very different thing (I don't think the thing in someone's mind that finds pleasure from being tied up is the same as that which encourages a pedophile, even though one could argue that the same triggers are promoting a favorable response...and such I don't think there is a "switch" in the brain that can simply be turned off.)

I think, however, that there are probably different degrees of people here. Probably some that can contain these urges better than others, and this might be that thing that works for such people. Perhaps they just need synthetic releases like this to calm the urges. I can only assume that it is very much worth trying...of course how do you find willing, admitted pedophiles to volunteer? (I guess if they already have a record...)

Hell, supposedly "normal" humans are finding that with the easy access to free porn these days, some are finding less of a desire, less energy to go out and engage in "normal" sex. That is actually happening. I think all of the dynamics you claim behind pedophilia-power, dominance, shame, etc etc, are all very real and aren't necessarily sexual in nature. But I do think they exist for these people in a sexual way, only. It's one big package. I also wonder if the people that are caught with child porn have somehow managed to keep themselves away from these actions with real kids. I don't know, but obviously that isn't a defense of child porn: those are real kids that are being exploited and tortured and there is no way something like that could be promoted for any reason. ...but animated? CGI? I don't know.
 

Younigue

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Well Zin, for the first time ever I say Fuc* you. I have read a lot about the psychology of pedophiles and serial killers. My responses are impassioned not because I am not bright but because at this point pedophiles can not be rehabilitated. Not acting on it though absolutely better than committing the crime, they watch people committing the crime via video. I'm convinced there will be no help for them until the place in their brains that promotes those impulses can be altered or burned away. Active Pedophiles do not deserve consideration or compassion. Inactive pedophiles do not deserve aids for their impulses. But sure Zin, I'm not bright. I'm too emotional about something that deserves emotion! Active pedophiles RUIN CHILDREN! They prey upon them. And honestly there is no room for them in society. I'll wear that claim of yours about my intelligence proudly. I'm not sure I'll enjoy the similarity to a Trumpublican and their devotion to being stupid about everything but in this it's worth it. There is no defense or reasonable argument for these dolls. None!