NBC Caught Altering Interview With Witness to Fit Police Narrative

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emperus

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Actually, NBC's clip is a fair representation of their full interview. Not sure why the cut is so sloppy though. They did post the whole interview. Watch it to get a fuller understanding of the witnesses statement.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/...itness-Describes-Killing-of-Student/305779151

But I think the bigger point is that the Cop arrived on the scene and escalated the situation. He may have had to eventually shoot him, but as long as the person wasn't harming anyone, he should have retreated to his car to get a better handle of the situation or to get backup.
 

Bock

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Welcome to the hood, never call the cops. Now it's also turning into don't call the paramedics since they won't arrive on seen until it's "secured". You're better off catching the buss, riding Uber, or driving to the fucking hospital yourself. Most of them are less than 10 minutes away in urban areas.
 

LegendKiller

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Welcome to the hood, never call the cops. Now it's also turning into don't call the paramedics since they won't arrive on seen until it's "secured". You're better off catching the buss, riding Uber, or driving to the fucking hospital yourself. Most of them are less than 10 minutes away in urban areas.

Edited friend video is bullshit.

I wonder how that no cop thing is working in nyc, baltimore, chicago. ohh, wait, hood criminals are killing themselves, and innocents, by the dozen, every weekend.
 

Subyman

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He probably was acting aggressive if he had just fallen out of a 2nd story window and was tripping hard. The thing is, the cop should be securing the parameter and trying to stabilize the situation instead of pumping rounds into the kid like he was a rabid dog. Police are meant to protect and that includes the people that may be having health issues.

What happened to the cop that puts themselves in harms way to protect the community? Now it seems the slightest possibility of a scratch and they blast people. Hell, I'd rather have dirty hairy stop me than some of these police officers in the videos.
 

DrDoug

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At the risk of sounding like a wacko, I'm going to be honest here.

The media is corrupt. They do not care what the truth is, only what they feel their viewers would watch. For Fox News its anti democrat stuff, CNN is anti republican stuff, MSNBC is...wait...is MSNBC still on?

...

Yes, it's corrupt as all hell but we will keep attacking each other because people keep believing what they are seeing and hearing. Smart people are skeptical when they hear an outrageous claim and tend to look for more information before coming to a decision. The problem with our media is that they know that sensational sells to dumb people and we have no shortage of dumb people. Compliance with the authorities or politicians/political party they side with is a given to boost the authority/party line, so stories are slanted for maximum effect, profit and political/authoritarian ass kissing.

As an abject example of getting caught at feeding bullshit, a recent article over at NRO by Michelle Malkin was accompanied by a picture of what was supposed to be a woman with a grocery cart standing in an aisle in a filthy store in Venezuela, looking at the empty, dirty shelves. The story she wrote is about what she sees happening if Bernie Sanders is elected President. The sleuths over at LGF researched the picture and found that it was taken in 2005 in Austin, Texas at a WalMart just prior to a storm hitting down there. Not only that, but the picture was poorly 'shopped to look filthy...lol!

This story blasted about the internet for about a day before NRO pulled the picture without comment. Unfortunately for the 'internet', this wasn't enough and an even bigger uproar ensued to the point that Michelle Malkin was attacking Rich Lowery at NRO and begging them to fess up to their having put the picture in the article without her knowledge. Finally, NRO released a statement today taking the blame for the picture. Their statement ought to make anyone who reads them take pause:

We ran a photo with Michelle Malkin’s column last week on Bernie Sanders’ economics that was supposed to be empty store shelves in Venezuela, but wasn’t. Our image editor grabbed the photo without verifying its source. We apologize for the error. (Of course, there is no lack of genuine photos of empty store shelves in Venezuela.) Michelle has been getting criticized as if she had anything to do with this snafu, but obviously syndicated columnists do not pick the art that goes with their columns in the various outlets that run them. (The erroneous photo also had an added weathered look, which our image editor sometimes adds for effect — see this Kevin Williamson piece from over the weekend for another example.)
The line "The erroneous photo also had an added weathered look, which our image editor sometimes adds for effect" says it all. They sought to influence the effect of the story with an image that was a doctored fake. This is what just about every 'news' outlet does, feed us crap to keep our fear of and anger at each other stoked and raging. The last thing they want us to do is figure out that the real enemies are playing us against each other while they pretty much do whatever they want.

Get used to it, it's not going to change. In fact, I bet it's going to get even worse because we seem to like ripping each other apart and they like tossing chum in the water to keep it going.
 

Tweak155

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Sorry but after seeing the full interview, the friend is the one editing to fit a narrative.
 

Attic

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He probably was acting aggressive if he had just fallen out of a 2nd story window and was tripping hard. The thing is, the cop should be securing the parameter and trying to stabilize the situation instead of pumping rounds into the kid like he was a rabid dog. Police are meant to protect and that includes the people that may be having health issues.

What happened to the cop that puts themselves in harms way to protect the community? Now it seems the slightest possibility of a scratch and they blast people. Hell, I'd rather have dirty hairy stop me than some of these police officers in the videos.

Regarding the bold, is it possible that this is just what you think (most of us think) cops are suppose to do, but what they actually are trained to do is something else? They are killing a lot of people in the USA, way more than in any other developed nation. The question is why are they killing so many people?

I think it's worth considering that the police are being trained, and intended to do, something that doesn't align with what most of us believe they are suppose to do. Then, I think the police muders of citizens (and the media coverups) begin to make more sense vs "oops cops killed another 'he was coming right for us' guy".
 

notposting

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Regarding the bold, is it possible that this is just what you think (most of us think) cops are suppose to do, but what they actually are trained to do is something else? They are killing a lot of people in the USA, way more than in any other developed nation. The question is why are they killing so many people?

I think it's worth considering that the police are being trained, and intended to do, something that doesn't align with what most of us believe they are suppose to do. Then, I think the police muders of citizens (and the media coverups) begin to make more sense vs "oops cops killed another 'he was coming right for us' guy".

Ding ding ding!

What we want and expect is completely different.

Goes along with this loony "make sure they get home safe at any cost" mentality. Most of us probably still think they are going to "serve & protect" us, not just coast through the day blasting anyone that looks at them funny.

Granted, many cops still do fine work, but the training and constant reinforcement of "us against them" is just going to keep wearing on them.
 

senseamp

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Maybe I missed it from link, but what is NBC LAs motivation for doing this, and apparently repeatedly? Where is their profit, especially when this is the absolute antithesis of what journalism stands for?

Access. They want to be able to talk to the cops, prosecutors, etc, for future stories to fill airwaves.
 

Subyman

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Regarding the bold, is it possible that this is just what you think (most of us think) cops are suppose to do, but what they actually are trained to do is something else? They are killing a lot of people in the USA, way more than in any other developed nation. The question is why are they killing so many people?

I think it's worth considering that the police are being trained, and intended to do, something that doesn't align with what most of us believe they are suppose to do. Then, I think the police muders of citizens (and the media coverups) begin to make more sense vs "oops cops killed another 'he was coming right for us' guy".

Cops are meant to meet our expectations as citizens. If they have strayed from that path then they need to be realigned, which is why we are seeing so much outcry. I remember in the 90's when they'd yell at people saying they are surrounded, come out with your hands up. Now they just bust in with SWAT and start shooting. Its a completely different world and it sucks.

I remember one situation where there was a man sitting in a lawnchair in the middle of an intersection with a pistol. The cops got a sharpshooter to shoot the gun out of his hand! These days they probably just run him down with a cop car.
 

mizzou

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Cops are meant to meet our expectations as citizens. If they have strayed from that path then they need to be realigned, which is why we are seeing so much outcry. I remember in the 90's when they'd yell at people saying they are surrounded, come out with your hands up. Now they just bust in with SWAT and start shooting. Its a completely different world and it sucks.

I remember one situation where there was a man sitting in a lawnchair in the middle of an intersection with a pistol. The cops got a sharpshooter to shoot the gun out of his hand! These days they probably just run him down with a cop car.

The guy who shot the gun out of his hand was a unique, bad ass marksman. If you expect every single cop out there to be him, you need to adjust your views of reality.

Not everyone in the military is "American Sniper"

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/02/01/columbus-sniper.html
 

master_shake_

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Is it still safe to call 911 in America?

if you are black no.

if someone had broke in to your home no.

if you have something that can mistaken as a gun i.e hose nozzle, poptart, pen bent in a right angular direction, no.

if you like your dog to stay alive no.

if you in need of an ambulance or fireman yes, you might even get saved if a cop doesn't arrest your responder.

so like 25 percent of having a good time after calling 911.
 

rudeguy

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if you are black no.

if someone had broke in to your home no.

if you have something that can mistaken as a gun i.e hose nozzle, poptart, pen bent in a right angular direction, no.

if you like your dog to stay alive no.

if you in need of an ambulance or fireman yes, you might even get saved if a cop doesn't arrest your responder.

so like 25 percent of having a good time after calling 911.

Yep. I would (and have) only called 911 for paramedics. I can't think of a single reason I would call the police. I've tried and I can come up with exactly zero things I would call them for.
 

Pulsar

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Actually, NBC's clip is a fair representation of their full interview. Not sure why the cut is so sloppy though. They did post the whole interview. Watch it to get a fuller understanding of the witnesses statement.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/...itness-Describes-Killing-of-Student/305779151

But I think the bigger point is that the Cop arrived on the scene and escalated the situation. He may have had to eventually shoot him, but as long as the person wasn't harming anyone, he should have retreated to his car to get a better handle of the situation or to get backup.

Two things. That video makes it pretty clear how the 'friend' cut his video off and didn't present the whole story in order to lie about the police. I wonder how many of the police-haters here will retrace what they said on the previous page after clear evidence that NBC didn't doctor anything at all.

Second, I'm not going to say the policeman should have stayed in the car. The guy just jumped through a 2nd story window and according to eye-witness reports was covered in blood head to toe. Could be bleeding out, clearly having a bad reaction to drugs, might be in the process of dieing already. Had the cop sat and done nothing and this guy died from the drugs, we'd have the same crew doing the dance about 'the cop should have done more'.

In a fluid situation like that, I'm going to leave it up to the cop. He did what he did because he believed it to be correct. It's pretty clear now that we KNOW the guy came at him aggressively and had already shaken off two taser hits. I'm not second guessing the cop's choice to protect himself. Have you seen what someone on PCP can do?
 

DrDoug

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Yep. I would (and have) only called 911 for paramedics. I can't think of a single reason I would call the police. I've tried and I can come up with exactly zero things I would call them for.

As has been said before, if you have a problem then you have a problem to deal with. If you have a problem and call the cops, now you have a problem and the cops to deal with.

I'll stick with the problem, my chance of surviving is much better and life is much simpler.
 

Meghan54

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So, the upshot of all this is faux rage and NBC did no wrong, and we have a misleading title to this thread?
 

Subyman

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The guy who shot the gun out of his hand was a unique, bad ass marksman. If you expect every single cop out there to be him, you need to adjust your views of reality.

Not everyone in the military is "American Sniper"

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/02/01/columbus-sniper.html

It is an example. It shows the cops went to great lengths to defuse the situation without hurting the person. Now we see cops running a guy down with their car or rolling up and blasting people because of a phone call.
 

werepossum

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Cops are meant to meet our expectations as citizens. If they have strayed from that path then they need to be realigned, which is why we are seeing so much outcry. I remember in the 90's when they'd yell at people saying they are surrounded, come out with your hands up. Now they just bust in with SWAT and start shooting. Its a completely different world and it sucks.

I remember one situation where there was a man sitting in a lawnchair in the middle of an intersection with a pistol. The cops got a sharpshooter to shoot the gun out of his hand! These days they probably just run him down with a cop car.
Unless he's black. Then SOP requires them to back off and call in mortars.

Two things. That video makes it pretty clear how the 'friend' cut his video off and didn't present the whole story in order to lie about the police. I wonder how many of the police-haters here will retrace what they said on the previous page after clear evidence that NBC didn't doctor anything at all.

Second, I'm not going to say the policeman should have stayed in the car. The guy just jumped through a 2nd story window and according to eye-witness reports was covered in blood head to toe. Could be bleeding out, clearly having a bad reaction to drugs, might be in the process of dieing already. Had the cop sat and done nothing and this guy died from the drugs, we'd have the same crew doing the dance about 'the cop should have done more'.

In a fluid situation like that, I'm going to leave it up to the cop. He did what he did because he believed it to be correct. It's pretty clear now that we KNOW the guy came at him aggressively and had already shaken off two taser hits. I'm not second guessing the cop's choice to protect himself. Have you seen what someone on PCP can do?
Wait - this guy had already shaken off two taser hits and idiots are still saying the cop should have retreated?
 

1sikbITCH

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Edited friend video is bullshit.

I wonder how that no cop thing is working in nyc, baltimore, chicago. ohh, wait, hood criminals are killing themselves, and innocents, by the dozen, every weekend.

This is true. Watch the video:
https://youtu.be/j3wVPq--1eo

43 murders in May or some crap. The gangs know the cops are off the streets and so I guess it's time to handle some bidness.
Murder Inc is a crime blog that documents each week's killings:
http://www.citypaper.com/news/murderink/
 

LegendKiller

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Two things. That video makes it pretty clear how the 'friend' cut his video off and didn't present the whole story in order to lie about the police. I wonder how many of the police-haters here will retrace what they said on the previous page after clear evidence that NBC didn't doctor anything at all.

Of course they won't admit they were wrong. It'd require them to be more intellectually honest than they are willing to be.