NBA rescinds Shaq flagrant against Rockets

[MonkOnXanax]

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On the play in question, Steve Francis drove to the basket, where O'Neal made contact with the point guard. A flagrant foul was called by referee Monty McCutchen. Lakers coach Phil Jackson was subsequently hit with a technical foul for arguing the call. The technical foul was also rescinded by the NBA, according to the Times.

 

[ElFenix]

well its a good thing that has any bearing on the game at all. yay NBA officials, the worst officials of any major sport.

 

[Red Dawn]

Besides Laker Fanboys who cares?

 

[bGIveNs33]

I agree that it should not have been a flagrant... but recinding Jackson's technical foul is stupid. It shouldn't matter if he disagreed with the call or not, he should have just kept his mouth shut.

 

[Aceshigh]

It was flagrant. I don't care what anyone else says.

I wonder how many of you know what a flagrant foul looks like, and if you are just saying it wasn't flagrant due to the fact that the ESPN announcers were saying it was a bad call.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Rockets had scoreboard. That is all that really matters.

 

[ddwbi0]

im a rockets fan, but i want to see houston and lakers play a game without any obviously wrong calls. Sure we won, but would we still have won if it were not a flagrant? hard to say

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

"The unfortunate thing is it had to be decided by them,'' O'Neal said after the game, referring to the the officials. "A whole bunch of people who paid a lot of money had to see a game that was decided by someone who doesn't make a lot of money. That's unfortunate.''

The game was played in Houston. The fans paid a lot of money to see the Rockets get a W.

The "Big Aristotle" is such an idiot.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ddwbi0
a game without any obviously wrong calls

thats not going to happen in the NBA

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: ddwbi0
im a rockets fan, but i want to see houston and lakers play a game without any obviously wrong calls. Sure we won, but would we still have won if it were not a flagrant? hard to say

There are bad calls in every contest. We were ahead when the alleged bad call was made.

 

[TallBill]

Perfect calls wont happen in any sport. Basketball seems to be one of the tougher ones.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
It was flagrant. I don't care what anyone else says.

I wonder how many of you know what a flagrant foul looks like, and if you are just saying it wasn't flagrant due to the fact that the ESPN announcers were saying it was a bad call.

it wasn't even close to flagrant, i was watching it on kcal (local tv in LA) and they didn't say anything until after 3 replays, which by then, it was OBVIOUS to me that it wasn't a flagrant foul... if it were really a borderline call, they wouldn't have rescinded the call... they would have been, then it's up to the referee... but being that it WASN'T, they DID.

Originally posted by: BlazingSaddles
how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

i agree

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

It was called flagrant, and that is all that matters. Rockets have scoreboard, and the NBA is not going to rescind the win.

Even if you credit the Lakers with a win, the team would still have a losing record.

Why does this really matter?

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: BlazingSaddles
how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

You didn't see him whack Steve Francis right across the bridge of the nose? Also you have to look at the flow of the play when the foul occurred. That is one of the primary determinations on flagrant fouls. Steve Francis had a clear path to the basket and was almost assured of a score. Shaq came over and stopped him by clobbering him.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: BlazingSaddles
how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

I don't think the real problem is whether or not the foul was flagrant. The real problem was the consistency. The refs never make that call. I have seen much worse before.

 

[Aceshigh]

Also, there were bad calls made against the Rockets too. The tip out of bounds off the Lakers that the refs missed, and that gave the ball back to the Lakers with a couple of minutes left was one of them.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Also, there were bad calls made against the Rockets too. The tip out of bounds off the Lakers that the refs missed, and that gave the ball back to the Lakers with a couple of minutes left was one of them.

or shaq interfering with the ball in the cylinder and not being called.

 

[neovan]

I was in Vegas when I watched this and even the Houston fans around agreed that it wasn't a flagrant foul. They just started laughing and knew they got away with one. It doesn't matter now that they rescinded the call because the game has already been determined. Just as it was determined when there should have been a call on the noncall in the Giants-Niners game. No game will be called perfectly.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: BlazingSaddles
how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

I don't think the real problem is whether or not the foul was flagrant. The real problem was the consistency. The refs never make that call. I have seen much worse before.

yep, kobe got whacked in the mouth and there was no call. later, kobe has a hand waved at him and theres a call. then, kobe doesn't get touched, flops, and theres a call. theres more flopping and acting in the NBA than soccer.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
It was called flagrant, and that is all that matters. Rockets have scoreboard, and the NBA is not going to rescind the win.

Even if you credit the Lakers with a win, the team would still have a losing record.

Why does this really matter?

It matters because getting a certain number (5 to 7 I think, after 8 its two games) foul points result in a suspension. That's why they review these plays after the fact, so a player isn't suspended for calls that weren't really flagrants. The outcome of the game is final though.

 

[LH]

There are bad calls in every contest. We were ahead when the alleged bad call was made.

Hey moron, did you watch the game? It was still a foul, and it still would have been tied. The rockets still would have gotten 2 points to tie it. If Jackson had kept his mouth shut, it wouldnt have mattered. It wasnt like it was a 5 point play, the Rockets f'ed up the ensuing play after the T and the foul shots. That flagrant foul call had no real impact on the game. The really bad call was the one before that, that ended up giving the Lakers the lead, the call where it was CLEARLY out on LA, but they gave them the ball anyways.

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: LH

There are bad calls in every contest. We were ahead when the alleged bad call was made.

Hey moron, did you watch the game? It was still a foul, and it still would have been tied. The rockets still would have gotten 2 points to tie it. If Jackson had kept his mouth shut, it wouldnt have mattered. It wasnt like it was a 5 point play, the Rockets f'ed up the ensuing play after the T and the foul shots. That flagrant foul call had no real impact on the game. The really bad call was the one before that, that ended up giving the Lakers the lead, the call where it was CLEARLY out on LA, but they gave them the ball anyways.

Actually, the Rockets would have retained posession of the ball after shooting the free throws since it was a flagrant.

So 2 free throws, PLUS possession of the ball.

You think THAT doesn't have an impact in the game?

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

Originally posted by: BlazingSaddles
how was that foul possibly flagrant? i wonder if youre just saying its a flagrant just because a 7' 2" 300+ lb center fouled a 6' foot some guard, and then he fell to the floor.

shaq made all effort to go for the ball and barely even moved his arms when coming down with the block.

You didn't see him whack Steve Francis right across the bridge of the nose? Also you have to look at the flow of the play when the foul occurred. That is one of the primary determinations on flagrant fouls. Steve Francis had a clear path to the basket and was almost assured of a score. Shaq came over and stopped him by clobbering him.

that's right, EXCEPT that shaq was playing the ball, not francis, regardless of how francis got hit... flagrant fouls are for fouls given that were excessively hard, or hard fouls that were not playing the ball. you're going to tell me that that's an excessively hard foul? no... it wasn't... it was a hard foul, and that's only cuz it came from shaq... if he came with an excessively hard foul... francis would have gotten his teeth knocked out, nto his mouthpiece....

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: LH

There are bad calls in every contest. We were ahead when the alleged bad call was made.

Hey moron, did you watch the game? It was still a foul, and it still would have been tied. The rockets still would have gotten 2 points to tie it. If Jackson had kept his mouth shut, it wouldnt have mattered. It wasnt like it was a 5 point play, the Rockets f'ed up the ensuing play after the T and the foul shots. That flagrant foul call had no real impact on the game. The really bad call was the one before that, that ended up giving the Lakers the lead, the call where it was CLEARLY out on LA, but they gave them the ball anyways.

Actually, the Rockets would have retained posession of the ball after shooting the free throws since it was a flagrant.

So 2 free throws, PLUS possession of the ball.

You think THAT doesn't have an impact in the game?

It didn't have an impact because Steve Francis turned the ball over to the Lakers on that possession.