NBA: Pistons trade Darko Milicic and Carlos Arroyo to Magic for Cato + draft pick

[iamme]

Originally posted by: nateholtrop

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: nateholtrop

Originally posted by: rambow

Originally posted by: lrad50
Darko stinks. What a bust of a draft pick.

what a worthless post. darko and howard would be sweet and darko is very good.


I too would be scared of having only lindsey to play back up.

Ya because Darko has played so much and when he has played he looks like he is lost. Lindsey is a phenomenal backup PG. He can make it happen. Arroyo is good but, he's a showboat and they are best trading him where he can showboat down in Orlando.

you're kidding, right? Lindsey's a "phenomenal backup PG"?

Ok, phenomenal was an overstatement...but he's solid. Carmelo would have been a better choice in hindsight. 😉

well in hindsight, Wade or Bosh would have been better, i could care less about Melo...

 

[oboeguy]

Maybe now the Magic trade Darko to the Knicks. 😀 Why the Knicks are looking at Steve Francis, though, I don't know. One Marbury is enough; we don't need two!

 

[Miramonti]

One of the best drafts in league history and dumars picks the dud. 😛

Even with that dark mark tho, dumars has has shown he's one of the best gm's out there. A mistake like that at the #2 lottery pick could have been a significant cost to many other teams, and the pistons obviously haven't missed a beat.

 

[HamSupLo]

has darko been any good when he's actually go to play? i guess this trade is all based on upside.

 

[NeoV]

Scouts loved Darko's potential - he's still very young, very tall, and full of potential. He will get minutes now, so lets see what he can do.

Lindsey Hunter is phenominal? Ouch - he's a pesky defender, a streaky shooter, and overall an average player at best.

Arroyo was not the reason for the Pistons' bench troubles - the reason they struggle off the bench is because other than McD, they HAVE NO TALENT on their bench. Arroyo was still among the leaders in assists/turnover ratio, which is pretty much all you can ask for from your backup PG. With Jameer Nelson bothered by a foot injury, he'll help Orlando right away.

Cato is better than Dale Davis, and he's a good defender, but don't look for any points out of him.

You guys are not seeing the reason for this trade at all - Cato's contract expires at the end of this season, freeing up money for the Pistons. Billups' contract is up at the end of this year, and they need to be able to afford re-signing him.

Joe Dumars has really only made one good move with this team, and that was trading for Rasheed Wallace - quite frankly they got lucky with T.Prince falling as low in the draft as they did, I'm not sure how much genius there was in that pick.

That said, the Pistons are still the best team in the East, they will just have to pray that none of their starters gets hurt before the playoffs.

The more I see of the Mavericks this year the more I think they are going to make it to the finals.

 

[monk3y]

NICE!!! I'm happy for Orlando.

 

[Xenon]

So check out how the blockbuster Tracy Mcgrady trade has worked out for both Houston and Orlando.

Orlando received Kelvin Cato, Cuttino Mobley and Steve Francis. Doug Christie (released) for Mobley and Cato plus a 1st for Darko Milicic and Carlos Arroyo.

So, Orlando ended up with Darko, Arroyo and Francis.

Houston traded Gaines and two 2nd round picks for Mike James and Zendon Hamilton (released). James was traded for Rafer Alston. Lue was traded for Jon Barry.

So, Houston ended up with Tracy Mcgrady, Rafer Alston, Jon Barry and Juwan Howard. Neat.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Arroyo was not the reason for the Pistons' bench troubles - the reason they struggle off the bench is because other than McD, they HAVE NO TALENT on their bench. Arroyo was still among the leaders in assists/turnover ratio, which is pretty much all you can ask for from your backup PG. With Jameer Nelson bothered by a foot injury, he'll help Orlando right away.

obviously i'm biased as a Piston's fan....but i'm also privvy to watching the Pistons all the time. there IS talent on the bench. Arroyo, Delfino, Evans, and Dice are a talented bunch.

Joe Dumars has really only made one good move with this team, and that was trading for Rasheed Wallace - quite frankly they got lucky with T.Prince falling as low in the draft as they did, I'm not sure how much genius there was in that pick.

whoa, whoa, whoa. Joe Dumars' moves with the Pistons:

- traded Jerry Stackhouse (the piston's best player at the time) for Richard Hamilton.
- sign and traded Grant Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins (most definitely lucked out with Ben)
- traded a bunch of expiring contracts for Rasheed Wallace (which you acknowledged)
- drafted Mehmet Okur in the 2nd round (absolutely talented, but couldn't resign him because the team had to keep Sheed)
- drafted Tayshaun Prince (you say he was lucky, but 22 teams past him up because he was a 4-yr college guy, instead of a HS potential)
- drafted Carlos Delfino in the 2nd round (still an unknown, but wait until the playoffs, when everyone will see this kid)
- signed Chauncey Billups when many, many teams passed on him
- he's brought in coaches (carlisle, LB, Flip), which when you look at the team's progression, have made the team better each year.

sure you could say a he got lucky a few time, but after so many moves that paid dividends, you've got to admit he's got GM savvy.....and i think he's one of the best in the NBA. in 4 years, he turned the team from a star-centric team (G.Hill) that was a perennial 1st round exit team, to a championship caliber one that is unlike any in the NBA.

to say he's only made "1 good move" is just ridiculous.

That said, the Pistons are still the best team in the East, they will just have to pray that none of their starters gets hurt before the playoffs.

that can be said about every championship contender. if the Mavs lose Dirk? if the Heat lose Wade?

The more I see of the Mavericks this year the more I think they are going to make it to the finals.

i agree with that.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NeoV

Joe Dumars has really only made one good move with this team, and that was trading for Rasheed Wallace - quite frankly they got lucky with T.Prince falling as low in the draft as they did, I'm not sure how much genius there was in that pick.

whoa, whoa, whoa. Joe Dumars' moves with the Pistons:

- traded Jerry Stackhouse (the piston's best player at the time) for Richard Hamilton.
- sign and traded Grant Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins (most definitely lucked out with Ben)
- traded a bunch of expiring contracts for Rasheed Wallace (which you acknowledged)
- drafted Mehmet Okur in the 2nd round (absolutely talented, but couldn't resign him because the team had to keep Sheed)
- drafted Tayshaun Prince (you say he was lucky, but 22 teams past him up because he was a 4-yr college guy, instead of a HS potential)
- drafted Carlos Delfino in the 2nd round (still an unknown, but wait until the playoffs, when everyone will see this kid)
- signed Chauncey Billups when many, many teams passed on him
- he's brought in coaches (carlisle, LB, Flip), which when you look at the team's progression, have made the team better each year.

sure you could say a he got lucky a few time, but after so many moves that paid dividends, you've got to admit he's got GM savvy.....and i think he's one of the best in the NBA. in 4 years, he turned the team from a star-centric team (G.Hill) that was a perennial 1st round exit team, to a championship caliber one that is unlike any in the NBA.

to say he's only made "1 good move" is just ridiculous.

Well said. Dumars' print is all over this team and the only luck imo is that most have been healthy. He's brought in top talent who are also good people. Sheed was a risk but was a success imo because of the maturity of the people dumars already had with the pistons. His moves have shown he's one of the top gm's in the game.

Quite the contrary with dumars' ex-teammate Isaiah Thomas, who has single-handedly destroyed the knicks future with his bonehead moves (and probably destroyed larry brown's desire to every coach again too. 😀)

 

[NeoV]

while I'll admit that signing Billups and trading Stackhouse for Hamilton were also good moves, I give him zero credit for the Grant Hill trade, that was strictly a salary dump at the time, no one had ANY idea how Ben Wallace was going to turn out...Carlos Delfino is average at best, and we won't see much of him in the playoffs either.

You can't talk about Joe Dumars success as a GM without the Darko draft coming up in the discussion. #2 pick in the draft, Chris Bosh, D.Wade, C.Anthony on the board, he picks Darko. How good would the Pistons be if he had picked Wade instead, or either of the other 2 guys?