NBA Fans: Garnett isn't that bad, Dallas is THAT GOOD.

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I keep hearing this, on tv, on the radio, that somehow Kevin Garnett just didn't take charge in the 4th quarter, why isn't anyone just conceding that DALLAS is that good. They way they played in that series i'm not sure many teams could have beaten them.
 

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<< Yup... Shawn Bradley is THAT GOOD. ;) >>



HEY! :D

Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley and Steve Nash are baby!! :D :D :D

MAVS RULE!!!!
 
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They're only saying that because Dallas almost blew a 19 point lead from the 3rd to the 4th quarter. Dallas had a huge lead over them and they got to within 3 points at one point - your leaders have to be able to convert in the clutch - all great teams do - Jordan back with the Bulls, Horry (spelling?) yesterday against the Blazers, Nash in yesterdays game with the clutch 3 pointer to put away the game. Dallas could have ran away with the game but they played poorly in the 4th. It could have been all KG but it wasn't.

Anyway, can't wait to see Dallas vs Lakers in the finals. unf!
 

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<< They're only saying that because Dallas almost blew a 19 point lead from the 3rd to the 4th quarter. Dallas had a huge lead over them and they got to within 3 points at one point - your leaders have to be able to convert in the clutch - all great teams do - Jordan back with the Bulls, Horry (spelling?) yesterday against the Blazers, Nash in yesterdays game with the clutch 3 pointer to put away the game. Dallas could have ran away with the game but they played poorly in the 4th. It could have been all KG but it wasn't.

Anyway, can't wait to see Dallas vs Lakers in the finals. unf!
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Oh man that would be SWEET is the Mavs got that far! :D :D
 

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<< Anyway, can't wait to see Dallas vs Lakers in the finals. unf! >>


i hope you mean finals of the western conference. ;)
 
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Err yea finals of the west :D

Sac. has the best record in the league (and will probably be the next team they face) Dallas dominated them in the regular season 3 games to 1. Assuming the Lakers do the same to their opponent, it'll be Mavs vs Lakers
 

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<< I keep hearing this, on tv, on the radio, that somehow Kevin Garnett just didn't take charge in the 4th quarter, why isn't anyone just conceding that DALLAS is that good. >>


Uh... did you watch the game? Mavs were only up by 3 towards the end of the 4th and Garnett didn't (couldn't? wouldn't?) step up. I watched him blow layups and free throws during the game. Here's a play by play with 4 minutes left in the game I grabbed off the NBA site:

(4:05) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:4 Def:11)
(4:04) [MIN] Garnett Layup Shot: Missed
(4:04) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:5 Def:11)
(4:04) [DAL] Nowitzki Foul: Shooting (4 PF)
(4:04) [MIN 101-104] Garnett Free Throw 1 of 2 (22 PTS)
(4:04) [MIN] Garnett Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(4:03) [DAL] Nash Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)
(3:45) [DAL] Van Exel Jump Shot: Missed
(3:42) [MIN] Trent Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(3:38) [MIN] Billups Turnover: Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal: Najera (1 ST)
(3:26) [DAL] Najera Jump Shot: Missed
(3:24) [MIN] Billups Rebound (Off:0 Def:6)
(3:14) [MIN] Garnett Layup Shot: Missed

When your franchise player who is the highest paid guy in the league can't step up when it counts, he deserves all the criticism that's been laid on him. And puh-lease don't give me that crap about the guy not having a supporting cast. Minnesota was still in the top 5 this year in scoring, averaging fewer than 6 points per game less than Dallas.

I'll end this with a little snippet of info I found on dallasbasketball.com:

KG can't win it all by himself, huh?

Let's compare supporting casts.

Garnett's top two teammates (pts/reb/ast):
Szczerbiak 18.7 / 4.8 / 3.1
Billups 12.5 / 2.8 / 5.5

Duncan's top two teammates:
Robinson 12.2 / 8.3 / 1.2
S. Smith 11.6 / 2.5 / 2.0

Top two teammate totals:
Garnett's 31.2 / 7.6 / 8.6
Duncan's 23.8 / 10.8 / 3.2

So I guess if the Sonics beat the Spurs it's okay because Tim Duncan doesn't have the supporting cast that Gary Payton does.

This shows why Tim Duncan is MVP and Kevin Garnett may be the BDP (best dependent player).
 

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Take all the statistics away and the Mavs still won :)

And with a good lead at the end.

BTW, and I did watch the game ;)
 

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y'all just wait til the mavs play a real defensive oriented team.
but damn they just have way too many weapons, but so does portland, and look where they are.

Steve nash needs to stop taking these transitional-on-the-break-sudden-pull-up jumpers. although he is a very good shooter, he is also a point guard, he shoots way too many quick jumpers without even passing it first. needs to distrubute more, feed it to the rest of the guys because everybody on that team got game except for shawn bradley.
 

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Superstars don't miss layups, at least not 4 or 5 of them in one game. KG kept on missing layups throughout the entire game. He deserves the criticism because he is getting paid 120 million and he can't make layups.
 

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<< Assuming the Lakers do the same to their opponent, it'll be Mavs vs Lakers >>



And maybe the Mavs will be good enough to win a game against the Lakers....but I doubt it.

I like watching the Mavs and Sacramento. That would be a nice series. However, the Lakers can pretty much call in their performance and waltz through the playoffs.
 

pyonir

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the t-wolves' biggest problem is not having a center. sure Rasho plays center, but the guy is a wuss. wide open in the paint and what does he do? banks it in off the glass. go up and SLAM it you damn wussy! :disgust:

oh well...the t-wolves are about the only team i would watch in the NBA anyway, so now i don't have to watch any more games.
 

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I didn't say garnet didn't choke, but give dallas some credit here too.

dallas is different from portland, there are 4 legit superstars on this team all in their prime. (i'm counting van excel a superstar).

anyway, dallas series was pretty fun to watch. :)
 

hans007

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well KG blew like an uncontested layup during that run, and sczerbiak the ballhog didnt pass to gary trent on that 2 on one break, where najera eventually got the ball on a scrum for it on the ground. those 2 plays i think killed their run
 

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KG is a pretty damn good player. his team is ok, but they didn't play very good. they had a good run to climb back into the game in the fourth, but i think they are fatigued by the huge hole they dug themselves in. dallas just had a better team tho, and they played well in the series.
 

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Maybe the TWolves will get someone good with their first round draft pick... oh wait, they don't have one!!! (Nice job, McHale and Joe Smith)

They're about as good as they're ever going to get. At least they made the playoffs... that's more than the bucks can say.
 

spanky

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what they need to do is dump terrel brandon and his $10million salary. then maybe they can get one or two solid veteran players to give them a little more depth.
 

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unfortunately in the NBA u can't just DUMP a salary, just look at the knicks. player salaries are guaranteed in the NBA even if they are injured and never have to play another day in their lives (Jayson Williams anyone?).

so, unless terrel brandom comes back from his injury reasonably healthy and can play, it will be difficult to trade him away and get someone worth $10 million back.
 

spanky

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when i say dump... i meant trade him to some sucker team for maybe some role player... then they can have cap room to sign a veteran. would that work? i'm not too familiar with cap rules and regulations.
 

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<< when i say dump... i meant trade him to some sucker team for maybe some role player... then they can have cap room to sign a veteran. would that work? i'm not too familiar with cap rules and regulations. >>




that's my point, even if they trade him, they are still responsible for his salary, so it wouldn't clear anyroom in cap. the only way to do what you want would be to trade brandon for 2 older servicable veterans who's salaries = whatever they are paying brandon.

it's not easy, like i said check out the knicks if you wanna see a team in bad straights.
 

Reliant

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The Dallas/Sac. series will be great to watch it if happens.
People need to not look at the regular season when looking at that series.
Dallas did beat Sac. three times, but the last win was after Sac. had clinched the Western Conf.
and their second team played half of the game. The regular season is over and anything can happen.
Sac. beat Utah four times in the regular season, but now look at what is happening.
By the same token Dallas did beat Sac. three times but nothing is stopping Dallas from
sucking it up and Sac. taking control of the series.

 

NeoV

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get off of KG's back....the guy is a fantastic player

I don't care if Billups and Wally score more than the next best two players on the Spurs, scoring averages don't make good players. Steve Smith is waaaaay better than Billups, who isn't really a point guard anyway.....they have very limited size, Joe Smith rebounds about as well as Katie Smith on their WNBA team....he may have missed a few open shots, but put him on Dallas, or another team with many good players and good size, and we would all be talking about how amazing he is.....Wasn't Jordan in the league like 6 years before he won a title? KG's time will come...


PGold, again, I am for the most part in agreement with you...though I don't see how in the heck your baseball team is in first place!
 

psteng19

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Garnett is an overpaid, overrated underacheiver.
He doens't have the ability to carry a team.

I'm not saying that he sucks. He's got a pretty good dunk...
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He's a good player, but not $120 million good (or whatever outrageous amount he's being paid).
He is just an above average player.

I'd take Dirk Nowitski over him any day, and this is not just because of the series.
Dirk has a more complete game, and a shot that's 100 times sweeter.
He has decent ball handle, grabs boards, has post up/inside game, and he can finish around the rim... and did I mention that he can shoot?

I'd pay him $120 mil before giving KG that dough.


Another thing is that the international players are more disciplined and work hard on the FUNDAMENTALS of the game.
Over here in US, it's all about flashy passes, showboat dribbling, and finishing with the dunk... *ahem* Shaq