Nature/Nurture Scenario: What do you think?

[brunswickite]

My friend and I were studying for an exam ( boring Electrical Energy Converstion), and during our study session we started talking bout nature/nurture arguments. As a sake of arguement we brought up this strange twisted scenario.
(Of course this scenario is morally/ethically wrong and dont reflect my views)


Scenario: Two Identical Twins are born, at birth they are seperated, and put in control situations, They would receive the same human contact, and be feed the same foods, giving the same toys to play with and have the same exact environment (room, crib), treated exactly the same. The twins would not see each other, and would not have contact with each other. The questions addressed were:

Would these twins have the same like/dislikes?

Would these twins be different in any way?

Their DNA is exactly the same, and they have expierianced the same exact things since birth.


What do you think?

 

[Kadarin]

I think the experiment is flawed. You're seperating the twins, but providing them with as nearly identical environments to grow up in as possible.

 

[Eli]

I don't think they would be the same, because they're still free to come up with their own thoughts, ideas and conclusions.

 

[tweakmm]

Have you heard of identical twin studies? I can't cite any examples off of my head, but there have been many cases of identical twins being seperated at birth and living very different lives and when they are reunited, they are supprised by how shockingly simmilar the other twin is.

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I think the experiment is flawed. You're seperating the twins, but providing them with as nearly identical environments to grow up in as possible.

what do you mean?

Yes that is exactly what is happening

The twins would not see each other so they would not be able to interact with each other.

Their environment would be the same.


This is not questioning hte plausiblity of the expierament, the results of the theorhetical expierament are important


edit :sorry bout spelling havet slept in 34 hours

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Have you heard of identical twin studies? I can't cite any examples off of my head, but there have been many cases of identical twins being seperated at birth and living very different lives and when they are reunited, they are supprised by how shockingly simmilar the other twin is.

the twins would be in strict control environments. they expierament mimmic both environments to be exactly the same

 

[Ornery]

What is the missing ingredient -- not genes, not upbringing -- that shapes the mind?

• Identical twins separated at birth are not only similar; they are "no less" similar than identical twins reared together. The same is true of non-twin siblings -- they are no more similar when reared together than when reared apart. Identical twins reared together -- who share all their genes and most of their family environments-are only about 50% similar, not 100%. And adopted siblings are no more similar than two people plucked off the street at random. All this means that growing up in the same home -- with the same parents, books, TVs, guns, and so on -- does not make children similar.
  
  So the variation in personality and intelligence breaks down roughly as follows: genes 50%, families 0%, something else 50%. As with Bob Dylan's Mister Jones, something is happening here but we don't know what it is.

Study of identical twins separated at birth and reunited later in life

• One set of twins, Oskar Stohr of Germany and Jack Yufe of California were separated after their birth in Trinidad and grew up in very different cultural surroundings. Yufe was brought up a Jew by his Jewish father in Trinidad and Stohr was raised in occupied Czechoslovakia and went ot a Nazi-run school. Their attitudes were different, but Bouchard observed similarities in "temperment, tempo and the way they do things" as well as their idiosycracies. Both wore short, clipped moustaches, stored rubber bands around their wrists, and read magazines back to front. Both also shared the habit of sneezing loudly in public to attract attention. This latter trait is baffling. Some things remain inexplicable. "The results showed that such characteristics as leadership ability, imagination, vulnerability to stress and alienation were largely inherited." However, traits such as aggression, achievement, orderliness and social closeness were fostered in the home environment.

From what I've heard of the twin studies, I'd say you're pretty much doomed to live your life as nature intended. Nurture seems to play a VERY minor role. From what I've seen, people really do not change much from birth to death. Their personality, the one they're born with, stays the same forever. People change their actions, but their unique underlying feelings, ambitions and emotions never go away. A lazy, selfish 5 year old individual, will be lazy and selfish at 25, 50 and 75 years old as well.

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Have you heard of identical twin studies? I can't cite any examples off of my head, but there have been many cases of identical twins being seperated at birth and living very different lives and when they are reunited, they are supprised by how shockingly simmilar the other twin is.

Wow, you look just like me! <shock>

Well, the best way I heard it explained. Genetics determine your potential, but whether you reach that potential depends on environment. Identical twins aren't absolutely the same, some differences and divergences after zygote.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I think the experiment is flawed. You're seperating the twins, but providing them with as nearly identical environments to grow up in as possible.

what do you mean?

Yes that is exactly what is happening

The twins would not see each other so they would not be able to interact with each other.

Their environment would be the same.


This is not questioning hte plausiblity of the expierament, the results of the theorhetical expierament are important

edit :sorry bout spelling havet slept in 34 hours

that would provide the same nature and the same nurture, so what is the point?