Natural Gas:1-22-05 U.S. Out of Oil and Now out of Natural Gas

dmcowen674

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1-22-2005 U.S. Importing More Liquefied Natural Gas

For years, liquefied natural gas (LNG) was too expensive. It really was not needed. Even today, there are safety and terrorism worries, exaggerated or not, about shipments of the fuel.

But as growing demand for natural gas outstrips North America's conventional supplies, many experts view imports of LNG as the only way to head off decades of soaring prices for businesses and the tens of millions of households that rely on the fuel for heat and electricity.

"If we don't have the capacity to bring in the amount of gas we need and domestic supply goes the way we think it will, the clear implication is higher prices"

LNG import terminals in Louisiana, Georgia and the Boston area also are expanding. Despite community opposition, more than 40 new LNG projects are proposed around the nation. About a dozen probably will be built, according to experts.

Traditionally, U.S. demand for natural gas has been met almost entirely from pipeline-accessible fields in the United States and Canada. Experts, however, say wells in the Gulf of Mexico are in decline, Canada's production will fall off after 2015 and gas fields in the Rocky Mountain states and Alaska will not meet future demand.

"We have not been able to increase gas production for a decade," says energy consultant Daniel Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. "U.S. gas productive capacity, like oil, is now in permanent decline."

At the same time, he says, the world "is awash with gas," most of it far from eager markets, and awaiting LNG's emergence as "a second global energy business," rivaling oil.

higher gas prices ? two or three times what they were a few years ago ? are why LNG is so popular. Even if gas prices retreat, they probably will be higher than the roughly $3.50 per thousand cubic feet needed to make LNG imports profitable, experts say.

No wonder that some of the energy industry's heaviest hitters have embraced LNG's development.

ExxonMobil Corp., which has invested heavily in gas projects in Qatar, has plans for 28 LNG vessels, including supertankers that can carry two-thirds more volume that today's fleet.

Shell is involved in several LNG import facility projects. ConocoPhillips is part owner of a large new LNG terminal proposed near Freeport, Texas, and is looking to build several more.

Energy companies are expected to pump more than $250 billion into the global LNG business, according to the International Energy Agency. A single LNG "train" ? gas production, liquefaction and export facility, tankers and re-gasification plant ? can require $4 billion to $6 billion, according to energy executives.

Last month the commission approved what will be the largest LNG import terminal in the country, at Sabine Pass in Cameron County, La. It is capable of handing 2.6 billion cubic feet of gas a day.
 

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Add the fact that the US is looking at building 1,300 new power plants in the next 20 years (Heard on CNN, but number sounds extremely high to me...*shrug*) that will all be run on natural gas. Therefore, NG prices go up and electricity rates go up (even with more supply).

hmmmmm
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Add the fact that the US is looking at building 1,300 new power plants in the next 20 years (Heard on CNN, but number sounds extremely high to me...*shrug*) that will all be run on natural gas. Therefore, NG prices go up and electricity rates go up (even with more supply).

hmmmmm

Ayup, the RRR/Corporate Thugs at their best blessed by the Church, Sheeple and P&N Elitists.

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, the RRR/Corporate Thugs at their best blessed by the Church, Sheeple and P&N Elitists.
So, what do you propose we do about it?


Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Add the fact that the US is looking at building 1,300 new power plants in the next 20 years (Heard on CNN, but number sounds extremely high to me...*shrug*) that will all be run on natural gas. Therefore, NG prices go up and electricity rates go up (even with more supply).

hmmmmm



This is side effect of the clean air laws. Natural gas has replaced coal power plants for new power plants.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, the RRR/Corporate Thugs at their best blessed by the Church, Sheeple and P&N Elitists.
So, what do you propose we do about it?


Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.



Nuke power would solve this problem.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, the RRR/Corporate Thugs at their best blessed by the Church, Sheeple and P&N Elitists.
So, what do you propose we do about it?


Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.



Nuke power would solve this problem.

Wouldn't bother me in the least. How about storing the waste? While nuke would be a great short term solution, it won't last forever (truely, will anything?) and the waste lasts for thousands of years.
Oh, and is Nuke renewable?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, the RRR/Corporate Thugs at their best blessed by the Church, Sheeple and P&N Elitists.
So, what do you propose we do about it?


Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.



Nuke power would solve this problem.

Wouldn't bother me in the least. How about storing the waste? While nuke would be a great short term solution, it won't last forever (truely, will anything?) and the waste lasts for thousands of years.
Oh, and is Nuke renewable?



nuclear waste can be recycled with breeder reactors.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.
As I've said before, the limiting factor in developing alternative energy sources isn't funding at this point - it's researchers. There are more grants than there are labs by a large margin.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Engineer
Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.
As I've said before, the limiting factor in developing alternative energy sources isn't funding at this point - it's researchers. There are more grants than there are labs by a large margin.

Bullsh1t, the factor limiting "developing" alternative energy sources is that would threaten the fat cat Corporate and Politcal Thugs from their ultimate source of Thuggery they enjoy now and bless by Sheeple like the above poster.


 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bullsh1t, the factor limiting "developing" alternative energy sources is that would threaten the fat cat Corporate and Politcal Thugs from their ultimate source of Thuggery they enjoy now and bless by Sheeple like the above poster.
I asked you before:
So, what do you propose we do about it?

You pretend like you know it all, so pony up. What is your proposed solution?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bullsh1t, the factor limiting "developing" alternative energy sources is that would threaten the fat cat Corporate and Politcal Thugs from their ultimate source of Thuggery they enjoy now and bless by Sheeple like the above poster.
I asked you before:
So, what do you propose we do about it?

You pretend like you know it all, so pony up. What is your proposed solution?

It's not going to happen so no real point in bringing it up.

American Politics will never be able to go back and shed Corporate and Religious Corruption from the fabric that has been woven the last 20 years.



 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's not going to happen so no real point in bringing it up.

American Politics will never be able to go back and shed Corporate and Religious Corruption from the fabric that has been woven the last 20 years.
That's awful ballsy of you - spout out your ignorant rhetoric, complete with random generalizations, then refuse when given the chance to even suggest an alternative. This is exactly what makes you the least useful member of this forum. Let me know when you want to be told who exactly it is that's funding the alternative energy research and I'll tell you. Let me know when you're interested in reality and not your oasis of BS that you like to dwell in.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's not going to happen so no real point in bringing it up.

American Politics will never be able to go back and shed Corporate and Religious Corruption from the fabric that has been woven the last 20 years.
That's awful ballsy of you - spout out your ignorant rhetoric, complete with random generalizations, then refuse when given the chance to even suggest an alternative. This is exactly what makes you the least useful member of this forum. Let me know when you want to be told who exactly it is that's funding the alternative energy research and I'll tell you. Let me know when you're interested in reality and not your oasis of BS that you like to dwell in.

Yes it is "Ballsy" of me to speak of the truth these days, I know that already especially against the brainwahed rhetoric of 50.9% of the voting population.

Yes it is "Ballsy" to speak against the Oil Baron Thugs and the American Politicians they own including the Chef Menteur himself.

Oh and you're right, I'm surrounded by the RRR FLL especially living in the Deep South so in a way I am on an Oasis. I'll take my BS over the Oil Corrupt/Xian Corrupt FLL side any day.


 

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"American Politics will never be able to go back and shed Corporate and Religious Corruption from the fabric that has been woven the last 20 years."

That isn't saying much...it goes back way further than 20 yrs........
 

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Engineer
Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.
As I've said before, the limiting factor in developing alternative energy sources isn't funding at this point - it's researchers. There are more grants than there are labs by a large margin.

I think the first thru thrid laws of thermodynamics is more or less kicking the researchers ass, I think Bush should pass new laws.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's not going to happen so no real point in bringing it up.

American Politics will never be able to go back and shed Corporate and Religious Corruption from the fabric that has been woven the last 20 years.
That's awful ballsy of you - spout out your ignorant rhetoric, complete with random generalizations, then refuse when given the chance to even suggest an alternative. This is exactly what makes you the least useful member of this forum. Let me know when you want to be told who exactly it is that's funding the alternative energy research and I'll tell you. Let me know when you're interested in reality and not your oasis of BS that you like to dwell in.

Yes it is "Ballsy" of me to speak of the truth these days, I know that already especially against the brainwahed rhetoric of 50.9% of the voting population.

Yes it is "Ballsy" to speak against the Oil Baron Thugs and the American Politicians they own including the Chef Menteur himself.

Oh and you're right, I'm surrounded by the RRR FLL especially living in the Deep South so in a way I am on an Oasis. I'll take my BS over the Oil Corrupt/Xian Corrupt FLL side any day.

This is a fascinating conversation. Please don't let it drop Cyclo!
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Engineer
Quite spending money chasing oil in Iraq and the ME and invest in our future developing alternative energy sources that are renewable.
As I've said before, the limiting factor in developing alternative energy sources isn't funding at this point - it's researchers. There are more grants than there are labs by a large margin.

I think the first thru thrid laws of thermodynamics is more or less kicking the researchers ass, I think Bush should pass new laws.

lol
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yes it is "Ballsy" of me to speak of the truth these days, I know that already especially against the brainwahed rhetoric of 50.9% of the voting population.

Yes it is "Ballsy" to speak against the Oil Baron Thugs and the American Politicians they own including the Chef Menteur himself.

Oh and you're right, I'm surrounded by the RRR FLL especially living in the Deep South so in a way I am on an Oasis. I'll take my BS over the Oil Corrupt/Xian Corrupt FLL side any day.
Unfortunately, your rhetoric is completely uninformed and baseless. You think you have all the answers, yet you refuse to share any of them. Let me let you in on a little secret - you have no idea wtf you're talking about. I've read probably 1000 posts by you and never has a hint of insight ever escaped your hands and made its way onto this forum. You find the most ridiculous articles you can, then bastardize them to suit your ridiculous ideology, then make of an even more ridiculous title. This ridiculous title is then supported by the most ridiculous acronyms I've ever seen. You have no content, just a bunch of blubber that you like to throw around to waste bandwidth. It's fine if you want to waste your time on these forums, but why waste everyone elses? You don't even TRY to contribute anything anymore. :disgust:

Oh, and for the record, the #1 suppliers of research funding for alternative energy sources, aside from the government led by your hated Bush Administration, are your hated oil companies, so put down the rhetoric cannon for two seconds and think for a change.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yes it is "Ballsy" of me to speak of the truth these days, I know that already especially against the brainwahed rhetoric of 50.9% of the voting population.

Yes it is "Ballsy" to speak against the Oil Baron Thugs and the American Politicians they own including the Chef Menteur himself.

Oh and you're right, I'm surrounded by the RRR FLL especially living in the Deep South so in a way I am on an Oasis. I'll take my BS over the Oil Corrupt/Xian Corrupt FLL side any day.
Unfortunately, your rhetoric is completely uninformed and baseless. You think you have all the answers, yet you refuse to share any of them. Let me let you in on a little secret - you have no idea wtf you're talking about. I've read probably 1000 posts by you and never has a hint of insight ever escaped your hands and made its way onto this forum. You find the most ridiculous articles you can, then bastardize them to suit your ridiculous ideology, then make of an even more ridiculous title. This ridiculous title is then supported by the most ridiculous acronyms I've ever seen. You have no content, just a bunch of blubber that you like to throw around to waste bandwidth. It's fine if you want to waste your time on these forums, but why waste everyone elses? You don't even TRY to contribute anything anymore. :disgust:

Oh, and for the record, the #1 suppliers of research funding for alternative energy sources, aside from the government led by your hated Bush Administration, are your hated oil companies, so put down the rhetoric cannon for two seconds and think for a change.

Don't waste your breath. This guy is as worthless as an adult porn magazine at Michael Jackson's ranch. As worthless as soap is to the french. He's even more worthless than all that stuff between his ears. Not once have I seen him have a constructive argument. Maybe he'll learn from this.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Oh, and for the record, the #1 suppliers of research funding for alternative energy sources, aside from the government led by your hated Bush Administration, are your hated oil companies

Ahahahahaaa, the brainwashed are hysterical.

 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ahahahahaaa, the brainwashed are hysterical.
Care to refute that? Or maybe you'd like to regale me with your extensive experience with research and researchers in this area? Or maybe you'd like to kindly stfu and walk away for once in your life.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ahahahahaaa, the brainwashed are hysterical.
Care to refute that? Or maybe you'd like to regale me with your extensive experience with research and researchers in this area? Or maybe you'd like to kindly stfu and walk away for once in your life.

Oh come on quit being rediculous.

If the Saudi's and the rest of the Oil Thugs were really developing alternative energies with all of the trillions, do you honestly believe we would still be using ICE today??? :confused: