Bush and GOP crashed the economy, hence the big deficits now. Don't want the deficits, don't let Republicans lead the country, ever.
If the Democrats can't handle $33 Billion in cuts, what are you going to do when the REAL cuts that have to be made are proposed?
If GOP wants to take the heat for shutting down the government, like WI Dems took for fleeing the state, then they can proceed. Politically I think it will be a disaster for them. Unfortunately it could tip the country into a double dip recession which is going to add hundreds of billions more to the debt, and create a lot of suffering in the process.
You mean the housing bubble that well under way before bush even took office? Lots of players in that buble, many of them democrat.
We really need term limits, politicians worrying about re-election is going to literally destroy this country. If they make the hard decisions now, they know their re-election will never happen.
Ahh, back to the topic. The long term outcome of whatever shutdown is hard to say as we don't know how long it will last or how it ends.
From the perspective of many independents this appears yet another case of children playing with matches. That includes both the Reps and Dems. Personally I don't think the Reps should move the goalpost and I believe both sides should be more honest about their budgets. Neither will because the tendency will be to use these things as tools for leverage.
I think we need to toss both parties.
The GOP House has proposed a version. That is their constitutional duty.
Then Senate has the choice to accept the bill as is or make modifications.
Modifications are then worked out in a committee of both House and Senate.
The final is then presented back to both Chambers,
The cycle goes on until something is acceptable and sent to the President.
When the Dems controlled both the House and Senate, they had the ability to generate an budget that was acceptable to all participants in the budget handling. They chose to not do so.
Now the country realizes that they did not.
The country also changed the makeup of the House to try and lite a fire under the system.
The change also demonstrated that having one party completely in charge was not a good thing.
Partisan hacks will feel that is was a good thing and now that they do not have complete control all failures are the result of the other party.
The country may see it differently. A message was sent to clean up your mess. Apparently the message may not have been heard.
Expect for 2012, there will be a lot more Dems running scared from their constituents.
Dems accepted what Boehner asked for. He's playing games now, because he knows the Republican base does not want him to compromise with Democrats, even on his terms. So he'll keep moving the goal posts until it becomes excruciatingly clear to him what kind of political pain he's signing the Republicans up for.
National parks to be closed if GOP succeeds in shutting down the government![]()
Then he'll pay the price.
My complaint about parties goes beyond this. The Dems proposed budget neglected to account for what will certainly cost much more than they said and the Reps are arguing over what is a drop in the bucket to begin with.
In the mean time no one is proposing needed reforms, no one wants to. Fighting over trivialities makes as much political hay as doing the hard work of making things better. The path of least resistance is what's almost taken.
Got healthcare reform passed. Something no one has gotten accomplished for decades.
Ryan is proposing $4T in cuts at a time the country is on a brink of a double dip recession.
Skipping meals to avoid debt when you are already malnourished is not good financial planning, it's stupidity that will land you in a hospital or worse.
So your solution of making tomorrows meal even more unaffordable is somehow better?
It was not well under way before Bush even took office.
I am not sure what is more pathetic. Republican cuts that amount to a fart in the wind or the democrats who are calling that fart draconian. But the truely pathetic part is watching the partisan hacks scurry about to defend this charade.
I am not sure what is more pathetic. Republican cuts that amount to a fart in the wind or the democrats who are calling that fart draconian. But the truely pathetic part is watching the partisan hacks scurry about to defend this charade.
A double dip recession is not going to help with the debt, you do realize that? It's only going to add more to it and make it harder to repay with a smaller economy.
These right wingers don't understand basic economics. They think it helps the economy when you lay people off.
No wonder they support outsourcing and union busting so vehemently. They believe workers are a drain on the economy, sapping success and economic prosperity from the long suffering conservative Captains of Industry.
It helps when you lay off people who are not doing anything useful, yes.
Left wingers think if we just funnel all of our money to DC they will know how to dole it out to allocate resources for the entire country.
4 trillion a year is being funneled to DC, look at our great economy huh!
Can't get rid of anything though, god forbid a single person gets laid off from their government job.
