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charrison

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As I already mentioned, the Republicans have put the vast majority of the budget off limits for cuts. Of the $3.6(?) trillion budget, they are only looking at about $600 billion or so for cuts.

So what other cuts have democrats proposed to offset those? o wait, none!
 

matt0611

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You do realize don't you that the Republicans have placed 81% of the budget off limits for cuts, right?

Democrats already said that they could find $33 billion in cuts in that spending just for the last 8 months of the year or so.

If this is true I have not heard about, have no seen anyone mention that here.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
What is this 33 billion that they want to cut?

If true though, then the senate should pass that budget with those 33 billion in cuts + the part they already agreed on.
I'm tired of these back room dealings between both parties, we have a bicameral legislature, pass the budget so we can see it damn it.
 
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OutHouse

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They had a say, they got some cuts they asked for. Now it's time for them to put up and shut up.

between you, throck and eskimo the dems can do no wrong. everything they do is plated in gold and everything the repugs do is evil and a crime against humanity.

god damn im so sick of the asshats on both sides. its the reason our country is in this mess. grow the fuck up and call it like it is. both sides got us in this mess and the tired argument of my dad is better than your dad needs to be retired forever.
 

charrison

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between you, throck and eskimo the dems can do no wrong. everything they do is plated in gold and everything the repugs do is evil and a crime against humanity.

god damn im so sick of the asshats on both sides. its the reason our country is in this mess. grow the fuck up and call it like it is. both sides got us in this mess and the tired argument of my dad is better than your dad needs to be retired forever.

It was not long ago that these libs railed against a republican congress for much smaller deficits.
 

fskimospy

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between you, throck and eskimo the dems can do no wrong. everything they do is plated in gold and everything the repugs do is evil and a crime against humanity.

god damn im so sick of the asshats on both sides. its the reason our country is in this mess. grow the fuck up and call it like it is. both sides got us in this mess and the tired argument of my dad is better than your dad needs to be retired forever.

What are you babbling about now? Cutting $33 billion is wrong, it's just less wrong than cutting more.

Stop projecting on people.
 

senseamp

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It was not long ago that these libs railed against a republican congress for much smaller deficits.

And Republicans said deficits don't matter. This is not about the deficits, it's about crashing the economy in time for 2012 election.
 

fskimospy

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It was not long ago that these libs railed against a republican congress for much smaller deficits.

Nope. The only thing I railed against was deficit spending on useless things like foreign wars. Specifically my statement was always 'if we're going to go into debt, lets at least get something for it'.

Then again, arguing against me is much easier if you make up positions for me to have held.
 

NetGuySC

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Maybe if the sorry a$$ brain dead dems had passed a budget last october as the law required, then maybe there would be no threat of a guberment shutdown.

Someone has to make the hard decisions, the dems kicked the can down the road to try and avoid making any decision that that they deemed not condusive to being reelected.

I am beginning to hope the repubs shut down the government and hold out until the budget is cut back to 2008 levels, even if it is for months shut it down and protect our future from the democrats.
 

matt0611

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And Republicans said deficits don't matter. This is not about the deficits, it's about crashing the economy in time for 2012 election.

If the economy crashes after we cut 60 billion out of a 4 trillion budget I will vote democrat in 2012 and personally worship at the altar of keynes and declare paul krugman my savior. :)
 

senseamp

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If the economy crashes after we cut 60 billion out of a 4 trillion budget I will vote democrat in 2012 and personally worship at the altar of keynes and declare paul krugman my savior. :)

It's like medicines, you gotta finish the whole course. Skipping doses to save money is only going to end up costing a lot more. The economy is on the brink, any shock could push it back into a recession, now is not the time for Republicans to play games and move the goalposts on negotiations.
 

charrison

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Nope. The only thing I railed against was deficit spending on useless things like foreign wars. Specifically my statement was always 'if we're going to go into debt, lets at least get something for it'.

Then again, arguing against me is much easier if you make up positions for me to have held.

Well we still have iraq, afghanistan and now libya. Aniti war seems to be more anti republican.
 

senseamp

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The beauty of this is GOP's tea-party base is just itching for the shutdown. They are going to have a hard time making a case that they aren't responsible for it if their base is out there openly cheering it. Independents, on the other hand, don't want a shutdown, are going to see a big chunk of Republicans taking credit for it, and will blame the GOP for it. Even Murdoch's rag sees it that way:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...oject%3DWSJNBC_POLL09&articleTabs=article
 

NetGuySC

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now is not the time for Republicans to play games and move the goalposts on negotiations.

Why didn't the dems pass a budget as required last october when they were the majority in both houses? and you accuse the republicans of playing games and moving the goal posts?
 

fskimospy

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Well we still have iraq, afghanistan and now libya. Aniti war seems to be more anti republican.

Huh? I supported Bush's attack on Afghanistan, but not Iraq. I don't support the bombing of Libya, because I can't think of a good outcome for us. I've said as much.

So again, you seem to be arguing against opinions that I don't hold. What gives?
 

senseamp

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Why didn't the dems pass a budget as required last october when they were the majority in both houses? and you accuse the republicans of playing games and moving the goal posts?

That's in the past. GOP should worry about the future if they don't get this done by friday.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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It's the GOP House's responsibility to fund the government. They are derelict in their duty.

So do you believe the House should always bow down to the whim of the President and the Senate?

If that's what it takes to avoid a shutdown, they should do whatever is necessary to fund the government. It's not rocket surgery.


Politicians abandoning their posts was something you recently approved of.

Remember this?

I think Dems played it well though, for 2012. This really mobilized their base

You already shot your wad.
 

senseamp

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Politicians abandoning their posts was something you recently approved of.
Remember this?
You already shot your wad.

At least you didn't bring up the AIDS dude you let die.
Just out of curiosity, if government shuts down and another AIDS dude comes in and there is no one to process the paperwork due to furloughs, you gonna let that one die too?
 
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charrison

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Huh? I supported Bush's attack on Afghanistan, but not Iraq. I don't support the bombing of Libya, because I can't think of a good outcome for us. I've said as much.

So again, you seem to be arguing against opinions that I don't hold. What gives?

Well that was only about 60-100B deficit to support iraq/afghanistan. We are talking about 1500B deficits now. Those bush deficits had little to do with war.
 

sunzt

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The beauty of this is GOP's tea-party base is just itching for the shutdown. They are going to have a hard time making a case that they aren't responsible for it if their base is out there openly cheering it. Independents, on the other hand, don't want a shutdown, are going to see a big chunk of Republicans taking credit for it, and will blame the GOP for it. Even Murdoch's rag sees it that way:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...tml#project=WSJNBC_POLL09&articleTabs=article

"But Republicans find a different opinion among the independents who helped them make gains in 2010 and who they will need again in 2012. Political independents argue for GOP lawmakers to find compromise, 66% to 30%. "
 

Hayabusa Rider

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At least you didn't bring up the AIDS dude you let die.

Now that's a snappy justification! Well, no. You continually approve of one action by one side then come out with the opposite POV for the other. Doesn't being a hack get old? Well, that's rather rhetorical. It's how you roll and we know it.
 

senseamp

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Well that was only about 60-100B deficit to support iraq/afghanistan. We are talking about 1500B deficits now. Those bush deficits had little to do with war.

Bush and GOP crashed the economy, hence the big deficits now. Don't want the deficits, don't let Republicans lead the country, ever.
 

fskimospy

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Well that was only about 60-100B deficit to support iraq/afghanistan. We are talking about 1500B deficits now. Those bush deficits had little to do with war.

So what? I wasn't a deficit hawk then either. I opposed deficit financed tax cuts for the rich and I opposed wasting money on Iraq. Both of those disagreements come from the fact that I thought they were bad policies, not specifically that they added to the deficit. (that's just the icing on the crap cake)
 

senseamp

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Now that's a snappy justification! Well, no. You continually approve of one action by one side then come out with the opposite POV for the other. Doesn't being a hack get old? Well, that's rather rhetorical. It's how you roll and we know it.

If GOP wants to take the heat for shutting down the government, like WI Dems took for fleeing the state, then they can proceed. Politically I think it will be a disaster for them. Unfortunately it could tip the country into a double dip recession which is going to add hundreds of billions more to the debt, and create a lot of suffering in the process.