Nancy Pelosi is such a POS

[michaels]

WTH is she doing? Try to pass this resolution about the Armenian genocide from a 100 years ago! What her real motive is her and other dem's do not have the balls to stand for what they believe and cut funding for the war, so they wanna pull shit like this that will make it much harder on the effort. Tons of equipment comes from inside Turkey.

What a f'ing snake

 

[ayabe]

There have been several threads on this already.

We are the leader of the free world, we have recognized every other genocide. We are morally obligated to do the same in this instance. We cannot pick and choose when we want to stand for justice and this is a necessary step in regaining our moral standing in the world.

Bush promised to do this before being elected in 2000 as well.

 

[piasabird]

We already let all the people die, so what is the point. Now we are letting the people in Darfur die.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: ayabe
There have been several threads on this already.

We are the leader of the free world, we have recognized every other genocide. We are morally obligated to do the same in this instance. We cannot pick and choose when we want to stand for justice and this is a necessary step in regaining our moral standing in the world.

Bush promised to do this before being elected in 2000 as well.

This is hardly the most pressing issue facing congress at this point. They have been in control for almost an entire year and done absolutely nothing of substance. Rather than trying to cobble together a budget for 2008, which they failed to ever do for 2007, they are cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

 

[theeedude]

Yes, she is such a POS for calling a genocide a "genocide."

 

[tomywishbone]

I hear we landed on the moon.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ayabe
There have been several threads on this already.

We are the leader of the free world, we have recognized every other genocide. We are morally obligated to do the same in this instance. We cannot pick and choose when we want to stand for justice and this is a necessary step in regaining our moral standing in the world.

Bush promised to do this before being elected in 2000 as well.

This is hardly the most pressing issue facing congress at this point. They have been in control for almost an entire year and done absolutely nothing of substance. Rather than trying to cobble together a budget for 2008, which they failed to ever do for 2007, they are cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

And what is pressing? Investigating Larry Craig? Condemning MoveOn? Commending Rush?

The bottom line is that failing to stand up for what is right because it's "the wrong time" or might "offend people" is why we are hated in the ME and elsewhere. We continue to support despotic regimes because it's the easy thing to do. We turn a blind eye to Darfur and human rights abuses because we don't want to offend China.

We are either for human rights or against them.

If Turkey wants to play hardball then we should withdraw our support for them entering the EU. It is Turkey's relationship with the US that is one of their arguments for entry, well that can go away.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: michaels
Topic Title: Nancy Pelosi is such a POS

WTH is she doing? Try to pass this resolution about the Armenian genocide from a 100 years ago! What her real motive is her and other dem's do not have the balls to stand for what they believe and cut funding for the war, so they wanna pull shit like this that will make it much harder on the effort. Tons of equipment comes from inside Turkey.

What a f'ing snake

I love it.

Hillary not even voted in as POTUS yet and the righties are having a canary. :thumbsup:

 

[Lemon law]

Lockstep GOP opposition has prevented the democrats from doing anything of substance regarding Iraq. For which many on the right have derided the democrats for while its the right wing GOP that prevents anything substantial.

About a week ago both Reid and Pelosi made a joints statement to the effect that until the GOP was willing to be reasonable they would concentrate on other things.

Now the right wingers are bitching about one of those other things. If nothing else, this is going to force GWB&co. to concentrate on something they have been totally ignoring in Iraq. Namely the Kurdish Turkish questions and the political solutions needed to solve the Iraqi quagmire.

For many years GWB has looked the other way as Iraqi Kurd sponsored PKK terrorists have been making incursions into Turkey. For six months the Turks have had 225,000 troops right on the border while the Turks have acted with restraint. While the Turkish population is quite rightly very angry and starts throwing support to its right wing. So I somehow regard this as a shot across the bow of the USS GWB to start addressing the problems instead of ignoring them.

GWB may have the congress to a point where they can't do anything right now. But they sure are not going to turn into a whipped servile dog like the rubber stamp congress they replaced. And if GWB is not going to be responsible, why should our congress not set its own agenda.

Now the congress is doing some of those other things. If its causing GWB some headaches, I have exactly zero sympathy. Maybe if GWB wants congressional co-operation, GWB could start the process by stopping the pretense that congress does
not exist and he is the lone decider. And start redeeming the pledge of being a uniter and not a divider.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: piasabird
We already let all the people die, so what is the point. Now we are letting the people in Darfur die.

No no no...

...the UN is letting the people in Darfur die, not us. The UN is going to take care of that problem, without US aid I so dearly hope.

That there'll be no one left to slaughter once The UN finally gets there in any meaningful numbers will be sadly ironic, but, that's OK, The UN is sadly ironic itself...

Back to the thread topic of Congress wasting time on rediculous sh1t while massively important issues go on not being solved."The Deciders" in Congress are doing a heckuva job! <insert Harvey stule Emoticon Trifecta>

Chuck

 

[maddogchen]

I don't see the strategy to this. If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I don't see the strategy to this.

If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

Nancy & the Dems started the Iraq war?

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I don't see the strategy to this. If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

The strategy is that "The Deciders" in Congress can't deliver on anything they promised their fanatical base. They don't want to actually solve any real major problems we have, as 1.) that'd be a win for Bush, and 2.) they'd have to comprimise more than they will when Billary gets elected in '08.

So what they'll do is just continue to waste time and our money, not to mention lives and futures, so as to hurt Bush any chance they can get (at detriment to the country) so as to have a better position in '08.

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops, all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

Chuck

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I don't see the strategy to this.

If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

Nancy & the Dems started the Iraq war?

Where did you get that?

So...since one of us didn't understand what I said, I'll try to clarify. If Turkey cuts off supplies to our troops, isn't this gonna create negative publicity for Nancy and the Democrats and add bullets to the GOP propaganda machine that the Dems don't support our troops?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes, she is such a POS for calling a genocide a "genocide."

She is a POS because her "leadership" in Congress thus far has been to take the easy road. While the world recognizes the Turkish Armenian genocide as an atrocity, at this point, recognizing it as such does little to reverse the past. Similarly, Turkey has proven a valuable ally in recent decades, dating back to the Cold War. Given recent developments of Turkish military forces engaging Kurdish fighters along the border they share with Iraq, prioritizing the Armenian issue will only strain our diplomatic efforts on that front.

Yet America, and the world, remain silent on genocide occurring TODAY.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops,

all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

It is not the job of Nancy & the Democrats job to "care" about the troops at this point in time.

They are not the ones that put them in harms way.

It is your Traitor In Chief that did so.

Their job should be to look out for their jobs and a get a Democrat in the WH in '08 for the sake of the country and the world from out of the hands of GOP supporters like you.

 

[Red Dawn]

What's the point of this resolution, to get back at the Ottoman Empire:roll: What's next, the Romanian Government passing a resolution condemning the genocide of the American Indian by the American Government of the 19th Century?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: chucky2

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops,

all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

It is not the job of Nancy & the Democrats job to "care" about the troops at this point in time.

They are not the ones that put them in harms way.

It is your Traitor In Chief that did so.

Their job should be to look out for their jobs and a get a Democrat in the WH in '08 for the sake of the country and the world from out of the hands of GOP supporters like you.

Typical response from a cold hearted political tool.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I don't see the strategy to this. If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

The strategy is that "The Deciders" in Congress can't deliver on anything they promised their fanatical base. They don't want to actually solve any real major problems we have, as 1.) that'd be a win for Bush, and 2.) they'd have to comprimise more than they will when Billary gets elected in '08.

So what they'll do is just continue to waste time and our money, not to mention lives and futures, so as to hurt Bush any chance they can get (at detriment to the country) so as to have a better position in '08.

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops, all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

Chuck

I don't see how this helps the Democrats. Even if it hurts Bush it will still fall back on Nancy and the House because they caused Turkey to stop helping us. This would not help any of the Democratic candidates for 08. Which is why I don't see the strategy behind this. I understand trying to hurt the Republicans to help for 08 but it should be ways that would not blow up in your face.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What's the point of this resolution, to get back at the Ottoman Empire:roll: What's next, the Romanian Government passing a resolution condemning the genocide of the American Indian by the American Government of the 19th Century?

FYI, Hitler famously quipped, with reference to the Poles, "Who, after all, is today speaking of the destruction of the Armenians?"

That's why it matters, history could repeat itself. It also might further a normalization of relations between Turkey and Albania.

This just shows that we are still dealing with the aftermath of WWI in both the ME and the Balkans now almost 100 years later.

 

[Lemon law]

The point being, it may be exactly that cats paw strategy to get GWB engaged in the diplomacy he is not engaged in. Paving the road for a future US President, be they a democrat or a republican, to have a head start in the political solutions to solve Iraq.

Just because we may not see that many moves ahead, may not mean that others don't. After all Pelosi has access to intel we don't. If nothing else, it may keep GWB distracted from an Iranian bombing he is quite clearly contemplating. If reports of a mass CIA transfer to the Iranian desks are to be believed.

I may not be thrilled with Pelosi, but I trust her much more than GWB&co. who rates less than zero to me. Or to put it another way, I give a personal opinion rating of close to negative infinity for GWB&co. with the seven year track records results to prove it.

And whats good for GWB&co. is BAD for our country is another way to put it.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: chucky2

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops,

all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

It is not the job of Nancy & the Democrats job to "care" about the troops at this point in time.

They are not the ones that put them in harms way.

It is your Traitor In Chief that did so.

Their job should be to look out for their jobs and a get a Democrat in the WH in '08 for the sake of the country and the world from out of the hands of GOP supporters like you.

Dave,

It's posts like this that make reading anything by you an automatic laugh fest. It's like anytime I'm reading down a thread here, and I hit one of Harvey, Moonbeam, or your posts, a huge smile breaks out on my face because I know it's going to be some rediculous BS post like the one by you above.

Just take for example your "It is not the job of Nancy & the Democrats job to "care" about the troops at this point in time" text. Congress represents every person from their state - including those troops you say they shouldn't be caring about. So when you say it's not their job, that just shows a complete lack of logic and reality on your part. The first priority of a Congressperson is to represent the people from their state, that's who they were elected by and for that purpose.

Chuck

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: michaels
WTH is she doing? Try to pass this resolution about the Armenian genocide from a 100 years ago!

So, do you think we should just forget about it and help them to wallpaper over history? The resolution isn't an indictment of the current Turkish government. The purpose is to make sure the Armenian genocide isn't forgotten.

There have been excuses after excuses for not acknowledging it, and there's never going to be a "good" time to press the matter. Moral and ethical imperatives have a way of being inconvenient truths, but that inconvenience is NOT an excuse to ignore or overlook them.

If the Turks wanted to show some real class, they could own up to it, publicly resolve never to allow it to happen again on their soil and get beyond it, just as the Germans have tried with the Holocaust and just as the South Africans have tried with their Truth And Reconciliation Commission following the fall of the Apartheid government.

What her real motive is her and other dem's do not have the balls to stand for what they believe and cut funding for the war, so they wanna pull shit like this that will make it much harder on the effort. Tons of equipment comes from inside Turkey.

Aww... :roll:

What a f'ing snake

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I don't see the strategy to this. If the House passes this non-binding resolution and Turkey cuts off our troops, isn't this gonna hit Nancy and the Democrats the hardest?

The strategy is that "The Deciders" in Congress can't deliver on anything they promised their fanatical base. They don't want to actually solve any real major problems we have, as 1.) that'd be a win for Bush, and 2.) they'd have to comprimise more than they will when Billary gets elected in '08.

So what they'll do is just continue to waste time and our money, not to mention lives and futures, so as to hurt Bush any chance they can get (at detriment to the country) so as to have a better position in '08.

Nancy and the Democrats could care one iota about the troops, all they care about is their own jobs and getting a Democrat into the WH in '08 - that's it.

Chuck

I don't see how this helps the Democrats. Even if it hurts Bush it will still fall back on Nancy and the House because they caused Turkey to stop helping us. This would not help any of the Democratic candidates for 08. Which is why I don't see the strategy behind this. I understand trying to hurt the Republicans to help for 08 but it should be ways that would not blow up in your face.

It helps the Democrats because it doesn't help Bush or the troops. The Dems do not care that this will make life more difficult on the troops or that they, they only care with hurting Bush - at any cost. The Dems will just spin any Turkey fallout - as Lemon Law is doing - as Bush not working with the Turks beforehand. That the Turks are already helping us to the degree we need them to will not be an issue, the fanatical Dem base will get whipped up into a Why didn't Bush use diplomacy with the Turks? questions, the media will spin a story where there is none, etc etc.

Just read Lemon Law's posts for Pelosi logic, you can see the left mindset clearly there...

Chuck

 

[First]

The real POS's here are the Turks that murdered these Armeanians. Making up a conspiracy theory about how American politicians are trying to sabotage the US efforts in Iraq by pissing off Turkey, is pretty sick.