NameZero.com STOLE my domain!!

Russ

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Interesting reading. But, you know what they say: You get what you pay for. I own 52 domains and have never had a single problem with my registrar. Of course, I didn't look for the cheapest, only the best.

Russ, NCNE
 

Double Trouble

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My understanding of the whole name record/dns/registrar issues and such is admittedly very limited.... Maybe someone can clear this up for me.

I registered a few names through two different registrars. They set me up, and provided me with the information to be able to log into the opensrs system and manage the domain record from there. I changed the owner of the record on some of the domains and moved them to a web host I selected.

Am I missing something? How can the original registrar go back and change anything on that domain record?

<edit> I haven't had any trouble, I'm just trying to increase my knowledge level a little :)
 

Russ

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Red,

Why do I own them? To sell, of course (most, anyway. Some I use). Here's the list:

ballcity.com
bankactivity.com
bankboy.com
bashbo.com
bashbo.net
bizstrip.com
buybeat.com
buybeat.net
campaignhq.com
cheftastic.com
cliniclist.com
compucheap.com
compucheap.net
dentistshq.com
doctorshq.com
echichi.com
edugrant.com
exechq.com
firefawn.com
hardwarehottalk.com
hitseek.com
huntfun.com
injet.com
keysector.com
lawlore.com
loanfiles.com
maxisource.com
megastrip.com
newshint.com
newshint.net
nurseshq.com
originpoint.com
originpoint.net
pantasia.com
pop411.com
popwalk.com
rapidindex.com
resco-online.com
securitylist.com
stepstreet.com
stepstreet.net
stopwalk.com
stopwalk.net
surfseek.com
unitedstateslegal.com
usafiles.com
usbrowse.com
uscivil.com
votekey.com
voteruss.com
voteseek.com
zoneport.com

Russ, NCNE
 

jmcoreymv

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Russ Im just curious. The person who would buy maxisource.com must be opening a site related to maxipads?
 

ObiDon

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Can I reach hardwarehottalk.com through a 900 number when there's no computer nearby? :)
 

Ethernet

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So your the bastard who has ZonePort! I tried to register that like three days ago. Oh well.
 

Relf Lauren

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Russ,

I thought it was illegal to buy domain names that belong to other companies, and sell it back to them for a higher price? (ie. blackmailing)...

Just curious...



Relf Lauren
 

Russ

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It's not possible to buy domain names that belong to other companies. If it belongs to them, that would mean they already own it, as in it's already registered. Thus, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

If you're talking about cybersquatting on a trademark, yes, that's illegal. But, that's not what I'm doing.

Russ, NCNE
 

Russ

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By strict definition, yes, cybersquatting should be illegal. The problem is that many courts are complete idiots when it comes to this issue, and are allowing large companies to steal names that should not be considered protected by trademark.

Russ, NCNE
 

rnmcd

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Russ, may I ask how many you have sold? Do you sell them from your site or go through something like Greatdomains.com?

I registered a domain name several months ago that I had big plans for (which of course fell through). www.myhouselink.com I was going to use it for controlling household appliances,devices from a remote location.

How can I sell the thing?

Thanks, rnmcd
 

DABANSHEE

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So does that mean if someone has trademarked one of the names on Russ's list, he has to give up that domain?
 

Bozo Galora

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(May 2000)

Few people would dispute that sex.com is a valuable piece of online property.
Stephen Cohen wouldn't: He's the ex-convict who runs sex.com and claims
it's the top-grossing porn site on the Web, snaring millions of dollars a
month.

Neither would sex.com's original owner, Net entrepreneur Gary Kremen, who
sued two years ago to reclaim the domain he says Cohen stole by forging a
phony transfer letter to domain registrar Network Solutions.

With millions at stake, Kremen sued both Cohen and Network Solutions.

There are those, however, who would argue that online
property, valuable or not, isn't property at all. Unfortunately
for Kremen, one of those people is Judge James Ware, who's
presiding over Kremen's case against Network Solutions in
U.S. District Court in San Jose, California.

Last Friday, Ware granted a summary judgment in favor of
NSI, based in part on the ruling that domains are not
property, and are therefore not subject to property law.

&quot;The court leaves it to the Legislature to fashion an
appropriate statutory scheme to protect dormant domain
names unprotected by trademark law,&quot; Ware wrote in his
ruling.

Kremen is furious.

&quot;It's ridiculous. If you follow the logic here, it's open season
for stealing domains. If I go hijack your domain and use it for
a year, you have absolutely no recourse.&quot;

Kremen plans to appeal. (His separate suit against Stephen
Cohen is still pending.)

Kremen's wrath may be justified, but it should be directed at
the law, not the judge, several legal experts say.

&quot;The court points out, rightly, that the law has yet to catch
up with the Internet, and it would be overreaching if it ruled
for the plaintiff,&quot; said Sally Abel, a trademark lawyer at
Fenwick and West in Palo Alto, California. &quot;The judge is right
-- at this time.&quot;

At the heart of the property dispute is whether domains are
more akin to a plot of land (obviously, property) or to a
phone number, which is considered a designation for a
service and not property in and of itself.

Network Solutions argues that it's like a phone company,
and that domain names are like phone numbers. &quot;A domain
name is not property, it's a service,&quot; said Phil Sbarbaro,
Network Solution's litigation attorney.

&quot;To say people buy and sell domain names is the vernacular,
but it's not accurate,&quot; he said.

What they're doing is authorizing Network Solutions to
transfer the service it provides to a new customer, he said.

Others think that's oversimplifying.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36247,00.html(more)
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,37970,00.html
(August 2000)





 

Russ

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<< Network Solutions argues that it's like a phone company,
and that domain names are like phone numbers. &quot;A domain
name is not property, it's a service,&quot; said Phil Sbarbaro,
Network Solution's litigation attorney.

&quot;To say people buy and sell domain names is the vernacular,
but it's not accurate,&quot; he said.

What they're doing is authorizing Network Solutions to
transfer the service it provides to a new customer, he said.
>>



Funny that Network Solutions would be making that argument, since they have now decided to jump in to the aftermarket as a reseller, not just a registrar.

They were a monopoly for so long that they seem to be having a hard time adjusting to the realities of the market. They no longer OWN it, and many cases are now coming down against them, and their bullying tactics.

But, still far too many are being heard by judges who are completely incapable of grasping the scope and expanse of the technology, or the direction that it's headed.

It all traces back to the inane and ridiculous method the Feds used to set up the structure. It should have been open from the beginning, instead of centralizing that much control with one (VERY arrogant) group of people. The only bigger (bad) joke is ICANN.

Russ, NCNE
 

DABANSHEE

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They should have just made it first in first served (making trademark holders irrelevant), like personalised number plates** - keep it simple, stupid. Then there's no need for lawyers.

**right now I can go out an order COCA-COLA number plates, unless someone else in NSW got there first (probably Coca-Cola).