Name two things we need to change with the next presidency

NoStateofMind

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It is very simple for me. The next president (Obama seems to be the lesser of 3 evils) needs to change:

1) Economy - Make it profitable for smaller businesses to run again. Remove taxes and laws on corporations to encourage growth. Start getting and "industrial edge" like we used to. At the least balance our trade deficit and if possible rearrange trade agreements more in our favor. This nation is 70% import 30% export, try to balance it.

2) Mend foreign relations. Lead by example. Encourage trade, commerce and diplomacy over sanctions and war.
 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
It is very simple for me. The next president (Obama seems to be the lesser of 3 evils) needs to change:

1) Economy - Make it profitable for smaller businesses to run again. Remove taxes and laws on corporations to encourage growth. Start getting and "industrial edge" like we used to. At the least balance our trade deficit and if possible rearrange trade agreements more in our favor. This nation is 70% import 30% export, try to balance it.

2) Mend foreign relations. Lead by example. Encourage trade, commerce and diplomacy over sanctions and war.

3) Get rid of the Patriot Act

4) Get rid of the neverending excuse for government to increase size and power while crushing civil liberties because of a single terrorist event

5) Quit protecting copyright to the point where it is completely unusable

6) Encourage Americans to save their money

7) Quit pledging the entire Millennial generations' wages to pay for Babyboomer retirement
 

charrison

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You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.


It would also help to clean up corperate tax rates as well. They are high compared to other countries corp tax rates.


I am all for commerce and trade over sancation and war. But sometimes commerce and trace just does not work....
 

Farang

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1) Qualifications over personal loyalty in appointments. (Clinton is cut)
2) Domestic priorities are more important than overseas military operations (McCain is cut)
 

palehorse

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The drapes in the Lincoln Bedroom, and the menu in the White House Mess.... beyond that, any real changes would be a pleasant surprise! :D

In the spirit of change, and accuracy, please rename this thread to "What are the most important issues to YOU?"
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
It is very simple for me. The next president (Obama seems to be the lesser of 3 evils) needs to change:

1) Economy - Make it profitable for smaller businesses to run again. Remove taxes and laws on corporations to encourage growth. Start getting and "industrial edge" like we used to. At the least balance our trade deficit and if possible rearrange trade agreements more in our favor. This nation is 70% import 30% export, try to balance it.

2) Mend foreign relations. Lead by example. Encourage trade, commerce and diplomacy over sanctions and war.

3) Get rid of the Patriot Act

Good choice. Getting rid of Homeland Security wouldn't be bad either.

4) Get rid of the neverending excuse for government to increase size and power while crushing civil liberties because of a single terrorist event

That goes along the lines of reducing spending and I find it hard for anyone to disagree with that line of thought.

6) Encourage Americans to save their money

That would require the currency to maintain its value better over longer periods of time.

7) Quit pledging the entire Millennial generations' wages to pay for Babyboomer retirement

From what I understand all the money we pay in now to social security is used to pay for those baby boomers. Not only is it sent into a SS account, it is immediately taken out to purchase bonds. Therefore they can keep the cash flow or "shell game" going.

 

Wreckem

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From what I understand all the money we pay in now to social security is used to pay for those baby boomers. Not only is it sent into a SS account, it is immediately taken out to purchase bonds. Therefore they can keep the cash flow or "shell game" going.

The way it works is, in 2018 the amount coming in will be less than the going out. So they will start to have to tap the "trust fund" which is comprised of the treasury bonds. The govt has to pay for this money some how. The only likely scenario is tax hikes. Basically future generations get fucked over because they will have to pay SS taxes, and much higher taxes, and see little in return. Atleast the shell game stops in 2018. Only another decade of runaway spending, then the fiscal boot straps will be tightened.

There is also more than SS when it comes to baby boomer retirement. There is this thing called medicare and its $50trillion plus in long term unfunded liabilities stemming from the baby boomers.

 

ericlp

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Pump more money into education for Engineers and Science. Get it back on track....
Get away from faith based BS....

Start spending more money on cops and law enforcement (maybe we could clean up our cities)? Or do we need more mall shootings and killings on the streets? Why not double or triple the force of cops around the USA?

I guess that's a start! ;)
 

SleepWalkerX

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Well I guess they would actually have to be things that a President can change.

One thing I would do is to tell any executive law enforcement division to release criminals that only have a drug conviction on their record and tell officers to not pursue drug related tasks.

Bring home the troops. I do not want them in the war that is about to erupt between the Sunnis and the Shi'ite.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Well I guess they would actually have to be things that a President can change.

One thing I would do is to tell any executive law enforcement division to release criminals that only have a drug conviction on their record and tell officers to not pursue drug related tasks.

I would make this non-violent drug offenders.

Bring home the troops. I do not want them in the war that is about to erupt between the Sunnis and the Shi'ite.

:thumbsup:
 

trenchfoot

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1. campaign finance reform- prevent those frick'in corporate lobbyists from corrupting our all too easily corrupted lawmakers by plugging loopholes and stiffening up and/or creating new laws that puts meat and teeth into anti-corruption statutes.

that being said, i do realize the fatal flaw in this endeavor is where congress and the executive have to pass legislation that in effect sentences themselves to rehab from an addiction they voluntarily succumbed to and which probably got most of them into office in the first place.

2. restore trust in the vote tallying procedures and processes- diebold and their ilk need to be forced to provide voting machines that are as simple, reliable and trustworthy as the cash registers they manufacture. also, a requirement that there be 50/50 bi-partisan involvement in the procurement and implementation of the vote tallying apparatus and processes at all levels of government need to be put in place.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: charrison
You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.

I can't see how this is true. IMO (in banking/lending) most successful small business owners will have write-offs for days. Either that or they'll be reinvesting for growth as opposed to taking profits. So the business will be doing well (strong cashflow), but the owner will have difficulty documenting it with tax returns. Much less be paying at the top rate.
 
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Changing foreign policy and politics. This needs to be changed.

Changing from a "send it to my firm" policy (via companies and no, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that, all you have had to do is to hear them brag) to a policy where it's dedicated money to the US.

There are a lot more, but i'm British and for me these two are the most important onees.
 

Corbett

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1 - Seal the southern border by finishing the fence.

2 - Implement the flat or fair tax.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: charrison
You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.


It would also help to clean up corperate tax rates as well. They are high compared to other countries corp tax rates.


I am all for commerce and trade over sancation and war. But sometimes commerce and trace just does not work....

Interesting that everyone spouts that the US corporate "rate" is the highest in the world, but few ever mention that after all of the deductions, the US corporations have the 2nd lowest "burden" (The % of income that they actually pay in taxes) of taxes in the world. Now that doesn't state how complicated the tax system is and how hard it is to achieve such a low burden, but it does show how the highest rate can be spurred into what corporations pay when they actually don't.

Stating that the US corporations have the highest burden in the world would be like me saying that I pay 25% taxes if only 1 dollar of my income falls into the 25% marginal rate.
 
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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.


It would also help to clean up corperate tax rates as well. They are high compared to other countries corp tax rates.


I am all for commerce and trade over sancation and war. But sometimes commerce and trace just does not work....

Interesting that everyone spouts that the US corporate "rate" is the highest in the world, but few ever mention that after all of the deductions, the US corporations have the 2nd lowest "burden" (The % of income that they actually pay in taxes) of taxes in the world. Now that doesn't state how complicated the tax system is and how hard it is to achieve such a low burden, but it does show how the highest rate can be spurred into what corporations pay when they actually don't.

Stating that the US corporations have the highest burden in the world would be like me saying that I pay 25% taxes if only 1 dollar of my income falls into the 25% marginal rate.

I think he just don't compute.

The truth is that yeah, the tax pressure total on US companies including the insurances that are otherwise paid by the state isn't over 25% when it comes to what the companies pay for it, but it's ok, it's going to other companies so they can give their bosses extra high bonouses which they do deserve, a billionaire definently needs an extra 25k more than a worker.

The truth is the US system is designed to make money for those who have a lot, most of them are politicians and since politics in the US today is dependant on money you got the same problem Stalin had, how will he divide the riches to get some support?

The rest? low wage jobs and end up in welfare, it's the design of the system.
 

waggy

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pretty much what everyone said.

but my #1 is campaign finance reform. it is no more for the people. its for the big business. When a business has the power that the RIAA has been given its beyond silly. there is no reason they should be able to sue without a shred of proof.


Also reduce the pork. Crap is put in stuff NOBODY wants to vote against.


patriot act, DMCA etc needs to be shut down.

them reducing civil librites etc.

ok there is tons heh
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
It is very simple for me. The next president (Obama seems to be the lesser of 3 evils) needs to change:

1) Economy - Make it profitable for smaller businesses to run again. Remove taxes and laws on corporations to encourage growth. Start getting and "industrial edge" like we used to. At the least balance our trade deficit and if possible rearrange trade agreements more in our favor. This nation is 70% import 30% export, try to balance it.

2) Mend foreign relations. Lead by example. Encourage trade, commerce and diplomacy over sanctions and war.

So...

1. Lower corporate taxes, and

2. keep the dollar as low valued as it is now.

I didnt realize you support those positions *shrug*

edit: change wording
 

ScottyB

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1) Get rid of health insurance, introduce single-payer health plan.
2) Remove Bush tax cuts.
3) Count Capital Gains as pure income (no reduced tax rate).
4) Give large tax incentives to those purchasing electric and hybrid cars with avg. gas consumption of 35 mpg. or higher.
5) Stop this ethanol nonsense.
6) Free contraceptives and abortions for all Americans. Make it illegal for doctors to notify parents of teens having abortions or receiving contraceptives.
7) Repeal all drug laws. Reintroduce new laws based on substance type and give maximum punishments of fines (such as speeding).
8) Remove all corporate welfare.
9) Free public college for students with parents making less than $100,000 per year. Reduced cost up to $200,000.
10) No taxes on income under $30,000.
11) Churches lose tax exempt status.
12) All church related laws must be removed or states will lose federal assistance. (Such as no alcohol sales on Sundays.)
13) Remove the FCC's power to regulate content.
14) Leave Iraq!
15) Tariff all goods from outside the USA.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.


It would also help to clean up corperate tax rates as well. They are high compared to other countries corp tax rates.


I am all for commerce and trade over sancation and war. But sometimes commerce and trace just does not work....

Interesting that everyone spouts that the US corporate "rate" is the highest in the world, but few ever mention that after all of the deductions, the US corporations have the 2nd lowest "burden" (The % of income that they actually pay in taxes) of taxes in the world. Now that doesn't state how complicated the tax system is and how hard it is to achieve such a low burden, but it does show how the highest rate can be spurred into what corporations pay when they actually don't.

Stating that the US corporations have the highest burden in the world would be like me saying that I pay 25% taxes if only 1 dollar of my income falls into the 25% marginal rate.


Yes we have high rates and deductions do exist. I dont know that our taxes rates are the 2nd lowest, but it does require alot of unneeded to work to make them lower. Corporate taxes, just like personal income taxes should drop the deductions and lower the rates and cut out the silly games we make people play.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: charrison
You do realize that reducing taxes on small business basically means dropping the top marginal income tax rate, as that is where more small business pay their taxes. Of course that is often is seen as a tax cut for the rich.

I can't see how this is true. IMO (in banking/lending) most successful small business owners will have write-offs for days. Either that or they'll be reinvesting for growth as opposed to taking profits. So the business will be doing well (strong cashflow), but the owner will have difficulty documenting it with tax returns. Much less be paying at the top rate.

There are a significant amount of people with family owned business that fall into the top tier personal income tax bracket.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
1) Get rid of health insurance, introduce single-payer health plan.
2) Remove Bush tax cuts.
3) Count Capital Gains as pure income (no reduced tax rate).
4) Give large tax incentives to those purchasing electric and hybrid cars with avg. gas consumption of 35 mpg. or higher.
5) Stop this ethanol nonsense.
6) Free contraceptives and abortions for all Americans. Make it illegal for doctors to notify parents of teens having abortions or receiving contraceptives.
7) Repeal all drug laws. Reintroduce new laws based on substance type and give maximum punishments of fines (such as speeding).
8) Remove all corporate welfare.
9) Free public college for students with parents making less than $100,000 per year. Reduced cost up to $200,000.
10) No taxes on income under $30,000.
11) Churches lose tax exempt status.
12) All church related laws must be removed or states will lose federal assistance. (Such as no alcohol sales on Sundays.)
13) Remove the FCC's power to regulate content.
14) Leave Iraq!
15) Tariff all goods from outside the USA.

Don't mince words ScottyB, tell us what you really feel.

 

Moonbeam

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Change the focus from what is good for me and focus on what is best for the country.