Bush can really go over the deep end! It's time to impeach him over his Mexican policy's!
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497
NAFTA Superhighway?
- Thread starter ScudRunner
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Yes it is such a very bad idea to connect to your biggest trade partners with good infrastructure.:roll:
- Oct 30, 2000
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What policies are you talking about.
This idea has been in the works for years. Easier way to move cargo through the heartland of the US.
It will not be a big as the opponents are saying in terms of land size.
So what if the unions in some areas get bypassed. If it is more cost efficient to move the cargo within on port vs another, then let the shipper do so; it will lower their costs and then the costs to their customers. Many times hte high shipping costs are do to the restrictions that are put on the port via the unions.
The unions presently are not being force to compete amoung themselves and maintain a strangled hold on the port facilities. There are only so many ports that ships can use for cargo and by a union threatiening and/or taking action against such facilities does not serve the country well.
- Oct 30, 2000
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When the union can (and have) hold the commerce of a section of the country hostage then that drives up the costs for everyone.
If the power of the unions can not be broken by legal means due to fear) let them be taken down a peg or to by economic means. Let them compete for their wages and work.
Steeplerot
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unbelieveable, first they whine about mexicans coming here becasue they are unemployed in droves then they want to put nafta on a fast track to make tons more mexicans unemployed with our cheap crap while screwing american unions.
NAFTA on crack. Great idea, Hey anti-immigration folks, here is a hint! why our borders are getting overrun, go learn about NAFTA and what it does to poor farmers and laborers in mexico and how other countries deal with free trade policys.
NAFTA is no less then economic carpetbombing of mexico, get ready for a LOT more mexicans folks.
Link
"I'm talking about a NAFTA plus, a NAFTA that takes us to a further integration. In the long term, what we are looking for is convergence of our two economies: convergence on the basic fundamental variables of the economy, convergence on the income of people, convergence on salaries. Of course this is a 10-, 20-year program. But when we reach that level, then we can just erase the border, open up that border for free flow of products, merchandise, capital, as well as people."
The EU has free trade agreements also, BUT labor is free to work where it is needed, (you can be from france for example and work in spain) when one market for it changes, and this is exactly what we are doing to mexico.
Mexicans streaming over our borders is not an invasion, it is the glorious free market conservatives love so much in full effect.
Either accept that mexicans come here to work or kill NAFTA. Cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Jeff7
Lifer
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Good, looks like they'll at least use railways.
"plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas."
And it looks like a nice superhighway for job outsourcing.
"A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks."
US Dockworkers - start seeking alternate employment options.
"plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas."
And it looks like a nice superhighway for job outsourcing.
"A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks."
US Dockworkers - start seeking alternate employment options.
brandonbull
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Puffnstuff
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Well the mexicans were crossing our border illegally way before nafta ever existed so put a sock in it steeple. Just imagine how many they can pack into a tractor trailer that doesn't have to stop at the border to be inspected. Now we have express service for getting illegals to their corporate masters in record time to undermine the working class people of this nation.
TheAdvocate
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Steeplerot
Lifer
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NAFTA helped increase flow of illegal immigrants
As NAFTA intended, Mexico has become an export-dependent economy. But this has not benefited most Mexicans. Sandra Polaski of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace points out that Mexican manufacturing increasingly is based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. The spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited.
Ironically, one might argue that illegal migration is the only thing saving Mexico from the ravages of NAFTA.
Illegal migration serves as an important safety valve. In the past 10 years, Mexico's working-age population has expanded by about 1 million per year, but the number of jobs has expanded by only half as much, according to a Carnegie study. The annual exodus of 500,000 to 1 million Mexicans reduces labor unrest inside the country.
There is a good reason they leave NAFTA out of the debate here in America, it is exactly why this is happening at our borders and why bush is taking such a non-conservative stand. (selling out of our sovernity.)
NAFTA and Nativism
Walls on the border won't fix this problem, nor will forcing cops to arrest entire barrios. So long as the global economy is designed, as NAFTA was, to keep workers powerless, Mexican desperation and American anger will only grow. Forget the fence. We need a new rulebook for the world.
The actual increase in illegal border crossing was more than were envisioned. In the early NAFTA period the U.S. was "swamped by an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration" crossing the Mexican border. In the first year, Arizona officials reported more than 80,000 arrests of illegals attempting to enter the U.S. That was an increase of 53% over the pre- NAFTA level. The volume saturated INS operational capacity to the point that many apprehended illegals were simply let go (1). The succeeding year even this record volume of illegal entry was surpassed by 40%!
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zephyrprime
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The flow of immigrants into the US before nafta was tiny compared to what it is now. I'm not saying nafta was the cause since I really don't know but claiming that nafta was not the cause simply becuase there was illegal immigration before is a weak argument.
What happened to the big problem with unsafe Mexican trucks and poorly trained drivers? Now we're going to let them go all the way to KC? We can't secure our own ports, but we are going to trust Mexico to secure theirs?
No one has been answering my questions.
Can all this damage set up by Bush be reversed once he is out of office January 2009???
Is it possible to save the U.S. from this total anniliation from within?
Can all this damage set up by Bush be reversed once he is out of office January 2009???
Is it possible to save the U.S. from this total anniliation from within?
- Oct 30, 2000
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This was set in motion long before Bush arrived on the scene.
And unless it is going to be turned into a partisan issue; it will probably not be reversed.
If it becomes such an issue; then will the Dems grow a pair and attempt to do something?
Given their current track record of not proposing viable alternatives for the majority of what they complain about, I would doubt it.
And unless it is going to be turned into a partisan issue; it will probably not be reversed.
If it becomes such an issue; then will the Dems grow a pair and attempt to do something?
Given their current track record of not proposing viable alternatives for the majority of what they complain about, I would doubt it.
OutHouse
Lifer
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Only if we get a President who doesn?t have a hidden agenda and is serious about stopping the illegal?s. then we would have to have a Senate and House who are united with the president and the Americans who elected them into office to do something about the border and correcting the mistakes Bush is doing to our country?s security and sovereignty.
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