Nader wins Reform Party support.
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Originally posted by: Perknose
So does Nader.
"It's precisely this kind of smug assessed sideways weasel snipe" that people have come to expect from you
Thanks for not disappointing usCkG
halik
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jesus christ,
i was down with nader the last election because he had a reasonable goal (5% to get matching funds) ... but what the hell is he trying to right now???? He certainly wont get 5% as an independant - he got ~3% running for the green party in a tight election and next years will be even tighter...
i was down with nader the last election because he had a reasonable goal (5% to get matching funds) ... but what the hell is he trying to right now???? He certainly wont get 5% as an independant - he got ~3% running for the green party in a tight election and next years will be even tighter...
So basicaly hes the guy that wanted to stop the illegal mexican crossing over our borders? As the article says, Nader took votes away from Al Gore during 2000 election in Flordia, and screwing Gore over. You know, if there was no Nader, Al Gore would of been president. More people voted for Gore than Bush but Bush won the electoral college. He has no chance of winning IMO, just like last time. Even if i am Viet, and even if Kerry killed civilian Southern Vietnamese and he admitted 2 it, i think he'd be a better president than Nadar. Watch Nader just help Bush win again (that implies i dont want Bush to win IMO).
MovingTarget
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Hmmm...interesting news there. I wonder if this will effect the Green Party's position on Nader. Will they endorse him as well, giving him potentially even greater ballot access? or will they float another candidate or none at all this coming election? Personally I think it would be great if we did have a viable third party candidate such as Nader (not that I support his campaign personally) in this election. Personally, I don't buy into this "he'll steal the election from Kerry in November" line that the democrats have been saying. The people that vote for Nader (or any other third party) will vote for them because they believe more so in their positions, instead of just intuitively checking "not bush" on the ballot as would happen if it were just Kerry vs. Bush. If some potential Kerry or Bush votes go towards a third party, then its the fault of the main parties for not putting out more palatable/visionary candidates. But anyways, this will be interesting to watch in the coming weeks to see what happens with this situation.
Zebo
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Ralph Nader is great, a definite break from corporte america that has it's grip around both parties necks and screw the middle classon a regualr basis. Perhaps you think Ralph Nader is a "socialist" or some other such epithet. But the truth is, if you look at the Green Party agenda, it's just New Deal liberalism circa the late 1940's with environmentalism added.
Which is all good, IMO. But he'll never win. He needs to get out to keep from diluting the vote for Kerry.
Don Vito Corleone
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While I think Nader introduced some important themes to the 2000 campaign, he seems more or less completely unqualified to serve as president (the idea of a person who has never held elected office as president is novel to say the least), and is by any standard an incredibly arrogant and supercilious man.
Given that he couldn't manage to muster a measly 1,000 signatures in Portland, Oregon to get himself on the ballot there, I can't imagine much of anyone voting for him this go-round.
Given that he couldn't manage to muster a measly 1,000 signatures in Portland, Oregon to get himself on the ballot there, I can't imagine much of anyone voting for him this go-round.
This isn't just for you, but for everyone complaining about Nader being a "spoiler" for Kerry. What was your opinion when Ross Perot was the spoiler for George Bush in '92? You do realize that Clinton would have lost if Perot hadn't been in the race.
Personally, I don't really care about a third party/candidate being on the ballot. If they want to be on there and they can get on there, then they probably deserve it. As far as the '92 election goes, I would have preferred Bush to have won it, but he didn't so I'm not going to cry over it. In this case, I don't see Nader being too big of a factor. More often than not, a candidate like this will have less support in the current election than the one previous.
MAW1082
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Nader is the closest thing to a socialist candidate that will be on the ballot in the US. At least Nader has ideas that will help to change the country, not further strengthen the status-quo of American society.
I say this: If you're a Bushie, be afraid because the lies of the Republican party will only be tolerated by society for so long. Sooner or later, your world will collapse, and the ideas of people like Ralph "I actually have integrity and can think for myself" Nader will be heard.
I say this: If you're a Bushie, be afraid because the lies of the Republican party will only be tolerated by society for so long. Sooner or later, your world will collapse, and the ideas of people like Ralph "I actually have integrity and can think for myself" Nader will be heard.
Anyone who would vote for Nader doesn't deserve to vote at all because their brains must be as oatmeal consistancy as Naders is. Nader has no message other than to get his pockets lined with some voter cash as he laughs at all who give it to him. You all no damn well he knows he hasn't got a chance of being elected.
Zebo
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American does not belong to these two corporate parties. In fact we've had a rich history of third parties untill guess when, reconstuction/robber barren era the corporations began having inordinate control of our governemnt which thrives to this day, the citizenry is shut out. To say Nader does'nt "deserve" a vote is to relegate third-party and independent candidates to second class citizenship and stop fresh ideas. That you think there is any difference between these two parties above the rhetoric is what I find ammusing.
MAW1082
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Yeah the Nader anti-war campaign probably will box in Kerry. Kerry is not going to withdrawal all our troops from Iraq.
Any person with ANY sense at all can see that the PEOPLE IN IRAQ DO NOT WANT US THERE. America as an imperial empire is not something that most informed people want for their country.
Bush is a naive evangelical who can't see the world for what it is.
Kerry sold out long ago when he joined the US military.
Nader is nothing short of a revolutionary attempting to overthrow imperialist American values through democratic means.
NO TO BUSH. NO TO KERRY. YES TO NADER.
Any person with ANY sense at all can see that the PEOPLE IN IRAQ DO NOT WANT US THERE. America as an imperial empire is not something that most informed people want for their country.
Bush is a naive evangelical who can't see the world for what it is.
Kerry sold out long ago when he joined the US military.
Nader is nothing short of a revolutionary attempting to overthrow imperialist American values through democratic means.
NO TO BUSH. NO TO KERRY. YES TO NADER.
Don Vito Corleone
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MAW1082
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No matter how you look at it, when John Kerry signed up for the US military, he signed up to kill whoever the US military told him to. Follow orders without question is the slogan of the US military, probably along with most other militaries.
Sellout - one who sells out
Sell - 3 a : to deliver into slavery for money b : to give into the power of another <sold his soul to the devil> c : to deliver the personal services of for money
**Seems like the description of service in the US military accurately describes selling out**
Nothing against those who have been in the military, it's just that you sold out.
-MAW
Sellout - one who sells out
Sell - 3 a : to deliver into slavery for money b : to give into the power of another <sold his soul to the devil> c : to deliver the personal services of for money
**Seems like the description of service in the US military accurately describes selling out**
Nothing against those who have been in the military, it's just that you sold out.
-MAW
Don Vito Corleone
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How do you think this country gained its freedom? Liberty comes at a price. It is NOT the bailiwick of soldiers (or sailors, or airmen, or marines) to blindly do as they're told - their job is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
By your definition, anybody who undertakes any form of employment for money has "sold out," in that he has agreed to provide personal services for money. Hell, Nader is "selling out" by running for president.
Have you ever had to work for a living yourself?
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