Nader joins anti-Microsoft push

[XZeroII]

MSNBC
He is pushing for MS to produce more secure software because he is sick of the gov't and everyone having to always install patches. It's a completely one sided article becuase it doesn't address the security patches that you have to install on other OS's as well. Linux requires many patches and updates as well. Either Nader is very anti-Microsoft because MS doesn't contribute to his campaign, or he is being fed crap from AOL, Sun, Oracle, and other competitors.

 

[Modeps]

nader has been a thorn in everyone's side for years... him and his 'watchdogs' should go chase a car and get hit by it.

 

[LaBang]

first off, why are you linking to M$NBC for this article?

I think Nader is a very good man. He is the one politician that i have seen that actually stands up and supports what his judgement tells him to.

 

[Rent]

Haha... from the guy with the permanent drunk look

Just another political retard with way too much coverage.

 

[Ladies Man]

Originally posted by: Intake77
nader has been a thorn in everyone's side for years... him and his 'watchdogs' should go chase a car and get hit by it.

 

[LaBang]

Originally posted by: Intake77
nader has been a thorn in everyone's side for years... him and his 'watchdogs' should go chase a car and get hit by it.

are you serious? do you have something against seat belts? how about clean air?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: LaBang
first off, why are you linking to M$NBC for this article?

I think Nader is a very good man. He is the one politician that i have seen that actually stands up and supports what his judgement tells him to.

Too bad his judgement is simply horrible for individual freedom. The man is a nanny-stater in the worst way.

 

[Ameesh]

patches and updates are a way of life for all software, there is no possible way you could ship a product if you tried and waited to get all the bug fixes in.

 

[gopunk]

well to be accurate, he's pushing the government to push ms, and also to wean itself from it's dependancy on ms. i have no problem with this... he's using capitalism. this is a good thing... i'd rather have that then some whiney hippy protest.

Ralph Nader joined the cause in a letter to the White House saying that changes in purchasing policy may be more effective and palatable to the administration than antitrust sanctions.

 

[LaBang]

I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why people don't like Nader.

Scratch that, I'm starting a new thread.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: LaBang
I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why people don't like Nader.

Uh oh! The opinion police are out today!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: LaBang
I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why people don't like Nader.

Promoting safety is one thing... Forcing it at the cost of individual freedoms is another. Nader happens to support the later, not the former.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: LaBang
first off, why are you linking to M$NBC for this article?

I think Nader is a very good man. He is the one politician that i have seen that actually stands up and supports what his judgement tells him to.

Why not? MSNBC is not biased and will not censor this material and take out anti-MS stuff. The media has put an anit-MS image in your head and now you are just their puppet. You think what they want to you to think. MSNBC is a pretty unbiased news site. That's why I read them because you get more of the picture than other places.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: LaBang
I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why people don't like Nader.

Promoting safety is one thing... Forcing it at the cost of individual freedoms is another. Nader happens to support the later, not the former.

prove it

 

[Modeps]

Nader sticks his nose in where it doesnt belong... Seatbelts? Fine, putem in cars... Now they are required by law in many states to be warn... 'Unsafe at any speed' was a bull$hit book that made people not buy a perfectly fine automobile. Cadalityc(sp) Converters? if you dont have one on your car thats working properly, you cant drive the car... if its busted? thats another $500 bucks that you gotta spend on your car.

This is just another instance of him talking about what he really has no idea about... he's THE United States' hippie in a suit.

 

[LaBang]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: LaBang
first off, why are you linking to M$NBC for this article?

I think Nader is a very good man. He is the one politician that i have seen that actually stands up and supports what his judgement tells him to.

Why not? MSNBC is not biased and will not censor this material and take out anti-MS stuff. The media has put an anit-MS image in your head and now you are just their puppet. You think what they want to you to think. MSNBC is a pretty unbiased news site. That's why I read them because you get more of the picture than other places.

Good answer. Just realize that even MSNBC puts a "spin" (bias) on their reporting.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: LaBang

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: LaBang
first off, why are you linking to M$NBC for this article?

I think Nader is a very good man. He is the one politician that i have seen that actually stands up and supports what his judgement tells him to.

Why not? MSNBC is not biased and will not censor this material and take out anti-MS stuff. The media has put an anit-MS image in your head and now you are just their puppet. You think what they want to you to think. MSNBC is a pretty unbiased news site. That's why I read them because you get more of the picture than other places.

Good answer. Just realize that even MSNBC puts a "spin" (bias) on their reporting.

Of course they do. No news site is completely unbiased, but I've found a better variety on MSNBC than other news sites. I'm glad someone understands me

 

[Modeps]

Good answer. Just realize that even MSNBC puts a "spin" (bias) on their reporting.

very true, but then again all news that is reported has some sort of personal bias involved...

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: LaBang
I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why people don't like Nader.

Because he's made 4 million dollars off the same corporations that he badmouths and because he seems to believe that we can have cars that run on water, electricity for free and doesn't quite live in the real world.

 

[LaBang]

Discussion about Ralph Nader the man should be moved over to the new thread.

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
patches and updates are a way of life for all software, there is no possible way you could ship a product if you tried and waited to get all the bug fixes in.

yes, it's a way of life now, now that the masses have internet access, but it wasn't that way 15-20 years ago, was it? I don't recall ever getting any patches/updates for my software back then.

-hudster

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: hudster

Originally posted by: Ameesh
patches and updates are a way of life for all software, there is no possible way you could ship a product if you tried and waited to get all the bug fixes in.

yes, it's a way of life now, now that the masses have internet access, but it wasn't that way 15-20 years ago, was it? I don't recall ever getting any patches/updates for my software back then.

-hudster

lol, truely from someone who has never written software before. 15-20 years ago, software was simple. There were many nuances, but it was still simple stuff to do. Also, to send a patch out, they would have to send a floppy to everyone who bought their software which would cost millions. Now, software is very complex (emphasis on 'very'). We have a simple was of sending patches out, so we do. If you would try writing an OS, or even a database, you'd see how many possible bugs you can introduce and not know of it.

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
lol, truely from someone who has never written software before.

no, amusingly/ironically enough, I am a software engineer. However, (and maybe closer to the core of my being) I am also a hopeless idealist. Yes, as a programmer, I understand the complexities of modern software. However, as a consumer, I like a finished product being just that: finished. The problem I have is that now with today's patch-happy way of thinking, companies are much more likely to ship software that's "almost there but not quite". Or do you not think that that is the case?

Like I said, I understand software is much more complex now, which makes the easy distribution of patches to be a great benefit, but at the same time, I also see a downside to it too.


-hudster

 

[LaBang]

I don't use windows so I can't speak from experience. But it seems to me like windows has some MAJOR security holes that are not being fixed from these patches. The push seems to be for M$ to fix those holes instead of requiring everyone to install patches to the latest variant of attack.

Anyways, Nader here is telling the govt' to use it's purchasing power to demand an improved product. THAT is freedom. If you are unsatisfied by a product, inform the company, wait for a reaction, if the reaction is not suitable to your needs, then switch products. This is a good thing IMO.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: LaBang
I don't use windows so I can't speak from experience. But it seems to me like windows has some MAJOR security holes that are not being fixed from these patches. The push seems to be for M$ to fix those holes instead of requiring everyone to install patches to the latest variant of attack.

Anyways, Nader here is telling the govt' to use it's purchasing power to demand an improved product. THAT is freedom. If you are unsatisfied by a product, inform the company, wait for a reaction, if the reaction is not suitable to your needs, then switch products. This is a good thing IMO.

There are no more major holes in MS products than in any other OS. Windows just gets all the publicity. It is very misleading. The thing is though, if MS were to fix all their security holes, people would have inscentive to buy Windows even more than now, thus increasing Windows market share and creating more anti-trust problems. What to do about that?