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Nader given the boot in PA--signatures tossed out

catnap1972

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Pa. court tosses Nader's nominating petitions

AP NewsBreak: Pa. court tosses Nader's nominating petitions
8/30/2004, 2:58 p.m. ET
By PETER JACKSON
The Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) ? A panel of three state judges Monday rejected Ralph Nader's bid to be listed as an independent candidate on Pennsylvania's presidential ballot, saying he forfeited that right by accepting the nomination of the national Reform Party.

Pennsylvania law prohibits a person who is affiliated with a political party from running as an independent.

The Commonwealth Court panel dismissed Nader's argument that the ban applies only to Pennsylvania residents. It said Nader's acceptance of the national Reform Party nomination in May also bars him from the Pennsylvania ballot.

"While remaining respectful of the fundamental and precious right of the voters to choose among candidates, the court is not free to ignore clear statutory language in the (state) Election Code or case holdings that dictate the result reached in this case," Judge Doris A. Smith-Ribner wrote.

The ruling strikes a heavy blow against Nader's campaign, which has been swamped with challenges to its nominating petitions across the country, and was cheered by Democratic supporters of John Kerry, who was seen as having the most to lose if Nader were on the Pennsylvania ballot.

"I don't know if we could be more pleased," said Mike Manzo, a spokesman for state House Minority Leader H. William DeWeese, who helped with the Nader challenge and who called the ruling "a huge victory for the Kerry camp in Pennsylvania."

Samuel Stretton, the Nader campaign's Pennsylvania attorney, said he plans to appeal to the state Supreme Court "unless they tell me not to."

"That's a very significant decision," he said. "It would essentially be the death knell of any independent candidate" who is recognized elsewhere by a third party.

Manzo said, "the handwriting is on the wall. I think (Nader) should just gracefully step aside and let us move forward from here."

Nader supporters in August submitted roughly 47,000 signatures to get him on the Pennsylvania ballot, far more than the 25,697 he needed. Lawyers for eight voters sympathetic to Kerry's candidacy challenged the signatures, charging that more than 37,000 of them are forged or flawed.

The Commonwealth Court held a hearing on the "party disaffiliation" issue and other motions in Philadelphia on Friday, even as plans were being made for a line-by-line examination of Nader's petitions in five courtrooms starting at the end of this week.

Monday's ruling appeared to make that review unnecessary.

The national Reform Party endorsed Nader in May, potentially providing him ballot access in at least seven states, including the battlegrounds of Florida and Michigan. His running mate, Peter Camejo, is registered as a member of the Green Party. Those affiliations should nullify their status as independents, Gregory Harvey, lead attorney for the plaintiffs, told the judges.

Nader's status on the Pennsylvania ballot is important to both Kerry and President Bush as they compete for the state's 21 electoral votes ? the fifth-largest prize in the Nov. 2 election ? in what could be an extremely close race.

Recent independent polls have shown Kerry with a light lead or running neck-and-neck with Bush in the state, while Nader attracted less than 5 percent of the vote.

Democrat Al Gore carried Pennsylvania in 2000, beating Bush by fewer than 205,000 votes out of 4.9 million cast. Nader, the Green nominee that year, received 103,392 votes.
 
Nader is such a hypocritical whore. I know the guy sees the two candidates as corporate-owned stooges who differ on nothing important, but I don't think he's so deluded to believe that his affiliation with all these repub groups to get him on ballots will lead to anything other than Bush being re-elected.

But thanks for the seatbelts, I guess.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Nader is a sell out and media whore.
Nader is neither, IMHO, but he IS a somewhat peculiar and iconoclastic man.

 
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Todd33
Nader is a sell out and media whore.
Nader is neither, IMHO, but he IS a somewhat peculiar and iconoclastic man.

Sure, he gladly accepted help from a right wing group that is known anti-gay. Way to stick to your ideals. He'll glady take help from any pro-Bush source as long as it keep him on the ballot and on TV.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Todd33
Nader is a sell out and media whore.
Nader is neither, IMHO, but he IS a somewhat peculiar and iconoclastic man.

Sure, he gladly accepted help from a right wing group that is known anti-gay. Way to stick to your ideals. He'll glady take help from any pro-Bush source as long as it keep him on the ballot and on TV.
Look, Todd33, I'm intensely pleased he's not on the ballot now in my home state of Pennsylvania, but only because it's politics and poliitcs is the art of the possible versus the ideal and his exclusion furthers my overarching goal of defeating George Bush.

I know a fair amount of committed Greens. I lobby for John Kerry with them every chance I get. I am more committed to the election of John Kerry than I have ever been for any candidate for office in my entire life.

But I will not let this committment skew my outlook beyond all bounds, and I will not let my intense frustration with Ralph Nader trump my view of him as a non glory seeking idealist, albeit one whose personal peculiarities do not translate well. If he was the "sell out and attention whore" you say he is, he would have sought and accepted the Green Party nomination, which he well could have had if he had wanted it. He did not.

I do not pretend to fully understand Ralph Nader, the man. I strenuously oppose his decision to run, for exactly the same reason you do, Todd. But I do think he is a man of bedrock integrity and strong personal ideals, from which he refuses to deviate, no matter what. For this, he has earned my respect.

Btw, that was an AWESOME pic of you with your little 'un in the pic thread. You GO, Dad!!

 
Maybe they should sue to have every other candidate BUT John Kerry thrown off the ballot. Hell, why stop there? Maybe they could just go ahead and declare him the winner and do away with all this election bullshit. What do all them dumbass voters know about politics anyway? Screw 'em.
 
Gee, anyone who doesn't tow the liberal-fascist-Democrat line is a "whore". <yawn> You maniacs got anything new?

* Which Party PRETENDS to want diversity, yet attacks anyone who differs?

* Which Party CLAIMS that every vote should count, yet tried to disenfranchise the military that they now pretend to support?

* Which Party SAYS they support freedom, then have out-of-control judges fabricate law from the bench because they can't get them passed via the legislative process, like dictators?

* Which Party was happy when Ross Perot stole away Republican votes, but now blocks Nader from the ballot?

* Which Party is nothing more than liberal-fascist hypocrites?

A: Democrats.

Suck it up, kiddies. You hate America and you hate freedom. Move to Cuba and leave us freedom-loving people alone, mmmkay?
 
Originally posted by: viivo
t I don't think he's so deluded to believe that his affiliation with all these repub groups to get him on ballots will lead to anything other than Bush being re-elected.
of course he isn't deluded, you just don't see the point.
 
Originally posted by: DefRef
Gee, anyone who doesn't tow the liberal-fascist-Democrat line is a "whore". <yawn> You maniacs got anything new?

* Which Party PRETENDS to want diversity, yet attacks anyone who differs?

LOL...PKB? "Either you're for us or you're a terrorist"

* Which Party CLAIMS that every vote should count, yet tried to disenfranchise the military that they now pretend to support?

While you neocons are busy rigging voting machines to make sure those "facist democrats" are kept out.

* Which Party was happy when Ross Perot stole away Republican votes, but now blocks Nader from the ballot?

In this case, did you even bother to read the article? Nader slipped up by himself in Pennsylvania (by a rule likely put into place by republicans, go figure).

Suck it up, kiddies. You hate America and you hate freedom. Move to Cuba and leave us freedom-loving people alone, mmmkay?

Yeah, "You're either for us or you're a terrorist". "You're only free as long as you agree with us, otherwise get the hell out"

Isn't the same tired hateful rhetoric getting old for you neocons?
 
Originally posted by: DefRef


* Which Party is nothing more than liberal-fascist hypocrites?

A: Democrats.


Do you try to impress people by using big boy words?
:laugh:

Fascism, is placing the state above the individual. Freedoms can be abriged if it serves the benefit of the nation. (National security). Economically its known as corporatism (Corporate welfare). So you think the democrats are pro business to the point of giving taxpayer money to the corporations? Hmmm...

Well, I can use big political words too! You're nothing but a Communist! There, an equally insulting but yet stupid claim!
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
This is good news. A battleground state where Nader was more than likely to draw votes from Kerry.

Yeah...dont have to worry about counting votes if the guy gets tossed off the ballot...nice
 
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