NAACP wants Michael Vick to have the benefit of the doubt

[ProfJohn]

The NAACP is getting beat up big time right now over its double standard regarding Vick and the Duke players.

When it comes to Vick they are saying:

"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."

But when it came to the Duke players they were in the process of trying and convicting them in the media up until the case fell apart.
Check out this link
In an August 9 2006 web posting the local chapter of the NAACP lists 82 things that it saw wrong with the Duke players and their party.
The title of the posting itself is biased:
"Duke Lacrosse Update: Crimes and Torts committed by Duke Lacrosse Team Players on 3/13 and 3/14 as Reported in the press, mainly from the Three Players? Defense Attorneys."
Does anything think we will the NAACP post such a page about Michael Vick?
Notice the web address? "http://www.naacpncnetwork.org/Publicity/768" publicity... that is all this case was to them it seems.
At one point the NC NAACP posted a web page called: "A Study in Arrogance, Violence and Silence: An NAACP Report of Known Facts." a laundy list of unproven allegations and went so far as saying "the defense lawyers have a factual mountain to climb, as they try to deflect public attention from the boorish, racist and illegal behavior of their clients that night by attacking supposed weaknesses in the DA's acts so far."

And check out this wonderful quote from state NAACP President William Barber saying the allegations against the pair "suggest a downward spiral from privilege and advantage to decadence and deviance." (This comes from DailyKos of all places, but has no link to origin.)
How come they aren't saying the same about Vick?

Even the Detroit Free Press is calling the actions of the NAACP "out of line" link

To anyone with an open mind the NAACP has become a joke.

 

[miketheidiot]

i guess killing dogs isn't quite as bad as gang raping a woman, but w/e vick is black and so is the slut.

 

[dahunan]

This is one time I agree with you ..

What will they say when Vick is behind bars... wait until the appeals process is completed

NAACP probably thinks OJ was framed .. Whitey is always out to get them?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dahunan
This is one time I agree with you ..

What will they say when Vick is behind bars... wait until the appeals process is completed

NAACP probably thinks OJ was framed .. Whitey is always out to get them?

Hell has froozen over and we no longer have to worry about Global Warming

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
This is one time I agree with you ..

What will they say when Vick is behind bars... wait until the appeals process is completed

NAACP probably thinks OJ was framed .. Whitey is always out to get them?

Hell has froozen over and we no longer have to worry about Global Warming

.. I wish.. but if Hell froze over.. where would Cheney and Bush get sent

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
This is one time I agree with you ..

What will they say when Vick is behind bars... wait until the appeals process is completed

NAACP probably thinks OJ was framed .. Whitey is always out to get them?

Hell has froozen over and we no longer have to worry about Global Warming

.. I wish.. but if Hell froze over.. where would Cheney and Bush get sent

i've always though that the hot was better than the cold tbh.

 

[Balt]

The president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP criticized the prosecution of Vick at a news conference Monday morning.

Dr. R.L. White Jr. accused the government of "piling on." "There's a penalty in football for piling on," White told reporters. "After a player has been tackled and somebody piles on, they're penalized for unnecessary roughness.

"Today, the NAACP blows the whistle and warns the powers that be that you are piling on."

:roll:

They've grossly miscalculated a lot of things in this situation. Pressuring local and regional prosecutors may have some effect in other cases, but the feds don't need support from the NAACP for elections, and the NFL is powerful enough to tell them to sit on it and rotate without having to worry about boycotts. The media isn't going to be on their side, nor is anyone else. Most likely they will realize how pointless their cause is and just let it drop before they embarrass themselves any further.

 

[spittledip]

I don't understand why the NAACP is getting involved. What does being black have to do with Vick's illegal dog-fighting activities?

 

[mfs378]

Yep, this is a joke alright.

Unfortunately some people take the NAACP seriously, which gives them clout.

 

[heartsurgeon]

the NAACP....
for you kids out there the abbreviation is
"National Associated for the Advancement of Colored People"

can you imagine what would happen if you where a TV newscaster and called Vick a "colored person"

it's hilarious...

 

[jonks]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a statement on the process of the US justice system and the protection afforded defendants. It merely means that a person cannot be punished by the government without a fair hearing.

It has absolutly no applicability in the court of public opinion. As a non-jury member I am perfectly able to convict this man in my mind with the evidence presented so far, not the least of which is the reputation of the attorney office prosecuting the case, and their track record for investigating before filing charges. Since I can't send Vick to prison, I'm perfectly free to judge him guilty. Sorry NAACP.

 

[Bumrush99]

NAACP is an outdated organization that has no useful or practical purpose.
Instead of actually advancing the "colored" agenda of racial equality, they reverse the movement every time they support criminals or other questionable individuals simply because of their color.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

For once I more or less totally agree with ProfJohn.

For the record, however, I watched the clip the other day of the head of the Atlanta NAACP talking about Vick, partly because I was seriously thinking of sending him an e-mail to object to his interference with the Vick case, based on the way his comments had been reported. I actually thought he was very fair. He essentially argued that Vick should be presumed innocent until proven guilty (in and of itself, this is a pretty noncontroversial statement, obviously), and expressed concern that Vick could be convicted in the court of public opinion long before his trial due to the intense publicity around the case. I consider that a perfectly legitimate opinion, even if the ONLY reason the NAACP is involved is Vick's ethnicity.

That being said, I agree there is a clear double standard here, and that the NAACP's meddling in the Duke situation was totally inconsistent with its professed concern for Vick's civil rights. There's no question the NAACP isn't the organization it once was, and that black "leaders" generally have been an awfully marginal lot since the deaths of Reverend King and Malcolm X.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
the NAACP....
for you kids out there the abbreviation is
"National Associated for the Advancement of Colored People"

can you imagine what would happen if you where a TV newscaster and called Vick a "colored person"

it's hilarious...

This is more or less a complete non sequitur, given that the NAACP was founded 98 years ago. What exactly is your point?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: DonVito
For once I more or less totally agree with ProfJohn.

For the record, however, I watched the clip the other day of the head of the Atlanta NAACP talking about Vick, partly because I was seriously thinking of sending him an e-mail to object to his interference with the Vick case, based on the way his comments had been reported. I actually thought he was very fair. He essentially argued that Vick should be presumed innocent until proven guilty (in and of itself, this is a pretty noncontroversial statement, obviously), and expressed concern that Vick could be convicted in the court of public opinion long before his trial due to the intense publicity around the case. I consider that a perfectly legitimate opinion, even if the ONLY reason the NAACP is involved is Vick's ethnicity.

That being said, I agree there is a clear double standard here, and that the NAACP's meddling in the Duke situation was totally inconsistent with its professed concern for Vick's civil rights. There's no question the NAACP isn't the organization it once was, and that black "leaders" generally have been an awfully marginal lot since the deaths of Reverend King and Malcolm X.

These self appointed leaders (aka profiteers) in the black community have little regard for the constituents they supposedly represent. It took racial tirades by Imus and Kramer for them to FINALLY discuss the double standard used in regards to the N word.. Guys like Sharpton have done more damage than good to the black community by constantly engaging in race baiting and double standards, and they are almost always on the wrong side of the argument, whether it was OJ, Michael Jackson, the Duke Case, Tawana Brawley incident where whites were accused of raping a lying crack whore, and other disturbing cases.. Add their racist attitude towards whites and Jews, and you have "leaders" with no morals, character or sense of empathy towards anyone other than themselves. I could never understand how people could mouth off about racism and then a minute later call white people devils while justifying racial murders like the Crown Heights riots... Crazy stuff

 

[nageov3t]

maybe they learned from their mistake?

a concept I'm sure that is unfamiliar to republicans

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: loki8481
maybe they learned from their mistake?

a concept I'm sure that is unfamiliar to republicans

That seems like a bit of a reach, but it's nice to give people the benefit of the doubt, I guess.

 

[heartsurgeon]

This is more or less a complete non sequitur, given that the NAACP was founded 98 years ago. What exactly is your point?

it is an example of hypocrisy, that is rife in the current "debate" of race.

Why don't they change the name? Isn't it offensive? If a white newscaster used the term "colored person", i can assure you they would lose their job..and isn't that hypocritical?

your comment is a non sequitur (without any weasel words attached)

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

This is more or less a complete non sequitur, given that the NAACP was founded 98 years ago. What exactly is your point?

it is an example of hypocrisy, that is rife in the current "debate" of race.

Why don't they change the name? Isn't it offensive? If a white newscaster used the term "colored person", i can assure you they would lose their job..and isn't that hypocritical?

your comment is a non sequitur (without any weasel words attached)

Why should they change the name? The NAACP is an organization created and run by black people, for the benefit of black people. How could they plausibly be accused of being racist by using the name? I see no hypocrisy here, and I am not a fan of the NAACP (at least in its current iteration).

I take it you don't actually know what a non sequitur is, just more reason to believe that you are a heart surgeon in name only.

So when can we expect your next theatrical "fairwell"?

 

[Jaskalas]

Topic Summary: How come they didn?t offer the same to the Duke Lacrosse players?

Racism.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

This is more or less a complete non sequitur, given that the NAACP was founded 98 years ago. What exactly is your point?

it is an example of hypocrisy, that is rife in the current "debate" of race.

Why don't they change the name? Isn't it offensive? If a white newscaster used the term "colored person", i can assure you they would lose their job..and isn't that hypocritical?

your comment is a non sequitur (without any weasel words attached)

Is the term "colored person" even considered derogatory? I've certainly seen the New-Age-ish term "person of color" used by minorities to describe themselves, so it would be odd for "colored person" to be considered derogatory when "person of color" is not. Outdated, maybe, but not derogatory.

 

[theeedude]

I love how the same people who gave white LaCrosse players the benefit of the doubt are ready to lynch Michael Vick. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I love how the same people who gave white LaCrosse players the benefit of the doubt are ready to lynch Michael Vick. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I love how the same people who gave white LaCrosse players the benefit of the doubt are ready to lynch Michael Vick. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

innocent until proven guilty is a legal term, not a public perception term.

 

[Andyb23]

Why is it called NAACP?

Do they support Asians, Indians, or Hispanics?