NAACP wants Georgia's Stone Mountain carving removed

[thraashman]

It is the largest bas-relief in the world. They don't get any bigger. We walked down the mountain last year. Not a bad hike. Would have been even easier if I wasn't carrying a 6 year old on my back because he hurt his foot.

Because it's the largest bas-relief is why it will not be removed. I have a huge issue with it because A) it memorializes traitors to this country, and B) the heavy involvement of the KKK in its creation. I've lived in the Atlanta suburbs my entire life, I haven't been to Stone Mountain in over 15 years though because of my issues with this immortalization of men who killed Americans for the purposes of enslaving human beings.

 

[CU]

a museum to educate people regarding that period in history?

They already teach some history there. I have not seen the documentary though.

From the wikipedia.
Confederate Hall, operated directly by the Stone Mountain Memorial Association or SMMA, is a museum that educates students and park guests on the geology and ecology of Stone Mountain as well as historical aspects of the area. A small theater shows a historical documentary about the Civil War in Georgia called "The Battle for Georgia".

The education department is host to thousands of students each school year teaching the subjects of geology, ecology, and history. Classes are designed to meet the Georgia Performance Standards and the North American Association for Environmental Education guidelines.

 

[CU]

Surely there's more to the South than slavers and KKK supporters?
Because even if you're from the South you can still be against some things that happened there.

I'm British and I can see that there was a bunch of terrible things that happened under the Empire.

The problem is many Southerns see the flag as a symbol of the South not as slavers or KKK supporters. CNN's recent poll showed only 33% of Americans see the the flag as racist. I don't know anyone that supports slaver or the KKK.

 

[fskimospy]

They already teach some history there. I have not seen the documentary though.

From the wikipedia.
Confederate Hall, operated directly by the Stone Mountain Memorial Association or SMMA, is a museum that educates students and park guests on the geology and ecology of Stone Mountain as well as historical aspects of the area. A small theater shows a historical documentary about the Civil War in Georgia called "The Battle for Georgia".

The education department is host to thousands of students each school year teaching the subjects of geology, ecology, and history. Classes are designed to meet the Georgia Performance Standards and the North American Association for Environmental Education guidelines.

I have been to Stone Mountain and I have been to the museum.

There is basically no mention of slavery.

 

[unokitty]

Lakota Times

Abraham Lincoln gave the go-ahead to the U. S. Army to hang 38 Dakota warriors in Minnesota in the largest mass hanging in the history of America. Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner, signed on to the Louisiana Purchase, a deal that took millions of acres of land from many Indian tribes without their approval...

And we should not forget that the man known as the father of this country (at least to the white people), George Washington, ordered the extermination of the Indian people of New England. He was also a slave holder.

Slave holders, Indian killers, nice monument white boy!

Uno

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I've been to the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial, the fact that they were slave owners is not mentioned at either of these sites.

 

[fskimospy]

I've been to the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial, the fact that they were slave owners is not mentioned at either of these sites.

It is of course mentioned liberally at both their estates.

Regardless, their reason for being and their fame was not the perpetuation of race based enslavement. That was the reason for being of the nation that Lee, Jackson, and Davis were fighting for.

 

[digitheads]

how about we just give them guns and let them shoot each other - the problem will correct itself !!!

 

[CitizenKain]

Stay away. Pretty simple.

How about we demo the carving and replace it with a giant one of General Sherman. If you are going to have a monument, have one of the winning side.

 

[Moonbeam]

I sure feel sorry for you symbol lovers and symbol haters. Always under threat. This is how I handle the problem. I don't need no stinking batches. There is no label out there that can compare to me. I am the greatest of the great, the coolest of the cool. perfect in my creation and manifestation, a complete and total nobody. I am a member of no club, no race, no creed, no nation; I belong to nothing. I practice no religion, I have no philosophy, I know nothing and have no opinions. I am here today and gone tomorrow, no traces will remain of my passing. Oh wait, my coffee tasted really good this morning. I think I'll celebrate. Here's to you and to you and to you. May your shadows never grow less.

 

[soulcougher73]

Freedumb will reign

 

[waggy]

Lakota Times


Slave holders, Indian killers, nice monument white boy!

Uno

i agree. such great men!

 

[Jaskalas]

Surely there's more to the South than slavers and KKK supporters?
Because even if you're from the South you can still be against some things that happened there.

I'm British and I can see that there was a bunch of terrible things that happened under the Empire.

I imagine your not actively seeking out and destroying all remaining vestiges of your "Empire". Your not conflating the mere existence of the British people with hatred. Your not condemning an entire region, culture, or group of people for the actions of a lone gunman who they all condemned anyway.

Your not taking what is a Union between diverse people and driving a stake through the middle of it.

 

[thraashman]

I imagine you're not actively seeking out and destroying all remaining vestiges of your "Empire". You're not conflating the mere existence of the British people with hatred. You're not condemning an entire region, culture, or group of people for the actions of a lone gunman who they all condemned anyway.

You're not taking what is a Union between diverse people and driving a stake through the middle of it.

Ok, firstly I couldn't quote you without first fixing your (the correct use) poor use of grammar, but I bolded the fixes to indicate a change in the quote. Secondly, as for your last sentence, that's what the Confederacy did and it absolutely should not be honored the way it is in the south. Confederates were traitors and terrorists. They attacked the United States of America and they absolutely should not be revered in it.

 

[highland145]

How about we demo the carving and replace it with a giant one of General Sherman. If you are going to have a monument, have one of the winning side.

A lot of effort when you could just hang with espy.

 

[Subyman]

Because it's the largest bas-relief is why it will not be removed. I have a huge issue with it because A) it memorializes traitors to this country, and B) the heavy involvement of the KKK in its creation. I've lived in the Atlanta suburbs my entire life, I haven't been to Stone Mountain in over 15 years though because of my issues with this immortalization of men who killed Americans for the purposes of enslaving human beings.

Would you not visit the Colosseum in Rome? People need to understand that history is not your enemy. Proudly waving flags that people find offensive in the present day is one thing, but tearing down art from another era is quite another especially art representing a pivotal time in our history. The depiction was created in a tough transitional period for the South. There is a lot of history to be learned, especially moving forward as a country.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Fuck off commie.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Why don't you all just find a time machine and go back and fight in the civil war. Trying to boil the war down to just slavery is ridiculous....even for this stupid fucking forum.

The men who fought on both sides were veterans. They should be treated as such.

If you think the average Johnny Reb was a slave owner then you need to read a book. Get off the band wagon for Gods sake.

 

[fskimospy]

Why don't you all just find a time machine and go back and fight in the civil war. Trying to boil the war down to just slavery is ridiculous....even for this stupid fucking forum.

The men who fought on both sides were veterans. They should be treated as such.

If you think the average Johnny Reb was a slave owner then you need to read a book. Get off the band wagon for Gods sake.

If you think the war wasn't about slavery way way more than anything else then you need to go read a book.

 

[WelshBloke]

Your not conflating the mere existence of the British people with hatred.

But that's not what's happening here either.

What's happening is people are attacking slavery and racism and you, for some reason, seem to see that as an attack on everything that the South stands for.

If you defend everything, good or bad, then you're doing yourself and your cause no favours.

 

[Angry Irishman]

If you think the war wasn't about slavery way way more than anything else then you need to go read a book.

From our forum self proclaimed expert of everything.....your comments.....discounted.

Do Southern soldiers not deserve the title American?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Do Southern soldiers not deserve the title American?

Yeah, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jefferson Davis were so proud to be Americans they fought a rebellion to leave the United States. Because patriotism or whatever...

 

[highland145]

From our forum self proclaimed expert of everything.....your comments.....discounted.

Do Southern soldiers not deserve the title American?

They didn't earn it. It was thrust upon them.....:hmm:

 

[Angry Irishman]

Yeah, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jefferson Davis were so proud to be Americans they fought a rebellion to leave the United States. Because patriotism or whatever...

Do you really think the situation of today is the same as that era? I suppose the average Englishman could say that Washington and his crowd were so proud to be British they fought a rebellion. States rights meant a lot more back then.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Do you really think the situation of today is the same as that era? I suppose the average Englishman could say that Washington and his crowd were so proud to be British they fought a rebellion. States rights meant a lot more back then.

Since you brought it up, how many memorials to George Washington do they have in England? I'm guessing it's a fair number, seeing as how they were so supportive of the colonists' right to rebel... Oh, it's uncommon for countries to put up monuments to the leaders of rebellions against them? Huh. I wonder if that somehow has any relevance to the topic at hand...