NAACP wants Georgia's Stone Mountain carving removed

[LegendKiller]

Oh, did the big bad NAACP force people to destroy anything?

A simple yes or no will do.

Thanks in advance!

The PC police are trying. Knowing how stupid liberals are they'll probably try to get the State of Georgia to do it.

Can't wait for the sweet tears of retribution victimization when the pendulum swings back.

That's why people crying for the destruction of people's ideals, monuments, possessions...etc are short sighted morons.

The pendulum always swings.

 

[Victorian Gray]

?

They haven't blown something up, I get that. Other than that am I missing anything?

Apparently.

 

[Victorian Gray]

god damn you are such a tool. are you implying that ISIS has only blown up 2 shrines?
just go away troll.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/world/iraq-isis-heritage/

No and I have no idea as to how you might come to that conclusion.

Might want to check this out:

http://www.sylvanlearning.com/tutoring/reading/topics/reading-comprehension

 

[Victorian Gray]

There's a huge difference - nobody is *forcing* other people to destroy the albums.

And just who is *forcing* the destruction of Stone Mountain?

 

[Atreus21]

Tell them to piss off.

Removing the confederate flag at least had merit considering what happened. This removal of monuments is asinine.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Damn but it seems that a lot of Americans have a great fondness for symbols of the failed Slaver's Rebellion.

 

[LegendKiller]

Damn but it seems that a lot of Americans have a great fondness for symbols of the failed Slaver's Rebellion.

Only a fucking moron wouldn't realize that *every* symbol is offensive to somebody.

But the Thought Police are too stupid to think about that.

 

[1prophet]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Only a fucking moron wouldn't realize that *every* symbol is offensive to somebody.

But the Thought Police are too stupid to think about that.

Think about what these particular symbols represent:

"Peter, aka Gordon, a slave from Louisiana, 1863. The scars are a result of a whipping by his overseer, who was subsequently discharged. It took two months to recover from the beating."

Still feel like celebrating some symbols?

 

[LegendKiller]

Think about what these particular symbols represent:

"Peter, aka Gordon, a slave from Louisiana, 1863. The scars are a result of a whipping by his overseer, who was subsequently discharged. It took two months to recover from the beating."

Still feel like celebrating some symbols?

No doubt, slavery was horrible. But it is far more complicated than a flag and to pretend it isn't is silly.

Guess we should get rid of the American flag, after all, Japanese would get offended due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The American Indians would be offended too, since we kicked them off their land. What about the British flag, better get rid of that one, Indians and Americans would be offended. Can't have the Israeli flag showing, offends too many Muslims. Can't have the Muslim flags showing, offends too many Americans and Jews. While we're at it, get rid of all monuments that might celebrate any of those wars, people, or countries.

we can go on and on.

Was anybody alive a slave? Did anybody alive have slaves?

Should we now ban anything that offends?

When do you stop with that?

 

[Victorian Gray]

No doubt, slavery was horrible. But it is far more complicated than a flag and to pretend it isn't is silly.

Guess we should get rid of the American flag, after all, Japanese would get offended due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The American Indians would be offended too, since we kicked them off their land. What about the British flag, better get rid of that one, Indians and Americans would be offended. Can't have the Israeli flag showing, offends too many Muslims. Can't have the Muslim flags showing, offends too many Americans and Jews. While we're at it, get rid of all monuments that might celebrate any of those wars, people, or countries.

we can go on and on.

No, you really can't. At least not using any of those examples.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No doubt, slavery was horrible. But it is far more complicated than a flag and to pretend it isn't is silly.

Guess we should get rid of the American flag, after all, Japanese would get offended due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The American Indians would be offended too, since we kicked them off their land. What about the British flag, better get rid of that one, Indians and Americans would be offended. Can't have the Israeli flag showing, offends too many Muslims. Can't have the Muslim flags showing, offends too many Americans and Jews. While we're at it, get rid of all monuments that might celebrate any of those wars, people, or countries.

we can go on and on.

Was anybody alive a slave? Did anybody alive have slaves?

Should we now ban anything that offends?

When do you stop with that?

I think the issue is that there's a difference between displaying shameful pieces of your past in a museum and celebrating them via theme parks. Germany accomplished some great things during the Nazi regime, but they don't have parks dedicated to the great men in Nazi uniform. I'm torn on the issue, because I agree with you that we shouldn't whitewash our past to avoid offending people, and I think there's real value in keeping the monument as is. But I could see how it could be a sore point given the history it represents.

 

[DrDoug]

I think the issue is that there's a difference between displaying shameful pieces of your past in a museum and celebrating them via theme parks. Germany accomplished some great things during the Nazi regime, but they don't have parks dedicated to the great men in Nazi uniform. I'm torn on the issue, because I agree with you that we shouldn't whitewash our past to avoid offending people, and I think there's real value in keeping the monument as is. But I could see how it could be a sore point given the history it represents.

Keep it but rename it Traitors Hill Memorial Park. I say hill because over here in the west, that's a small hill. :biggrin: Put up information exhibits where we explain the history of the Civil War and the leaders who sought to break up the country over the issue of slavery.

Problem solved.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't think we need to remove the carvings, but it would be nice for the whole stone mountain area to not be one giant whitewash of the confederacy. It's pathetic.

If you don't want to see it stay in New York, NY.

Simple.

And down the slippery slope we slide.......... Weeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Screw the NAACP, bunch of racist.

 

[LegendKiller]

Keep it but rename it Traitors Hill Memorial Park. I say hill because over here in the west, that's a small hill. :biggrin: Put up information exhibits where we explain the history of the Civil War and the leaders who sought to break up the country over the issue of slavery.

Problem solved.

Or just let people live their lives in the way they want. You know, like how the libnazi's are telling everybody they *HAVE* to accept gays, or trannies, even if they don't agree with them? If they don't accept it they shame the shit out of them, or put political pressure on them, or economic pressure, until they do. What about the portion of the country that doesn't think homosexualism is right? What if they are offended? Isn't the Pride flag offensive to them?

Ohh, wait, their feeling don't matter. They aren't entitled to their opinion.

This is the fascist liberal America, where only *ONE* train of thought is accepted.

Stone Mountain isn't killing anybody. Nobody says that they should own slaves because of Stone Mountain. Nobody alive owns slaves, owned slaves, or was a slave.

Live and let live.

 

[michal1980]

Are you claiming that this: "The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP officially called for the elimination of all symbols of the Confederacy from Stone Mountain." is the same as this:" Islamic State militants have blown up two ancient shrines they consider sacrilegious in Palmyra, the jihadi group said on Tuesday."?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/23/isis-destroys-palmyra-shrines-in-syria

If the naacp gets what they want the result is the same.

 

[WelshBloke]

Rather than removing it (which is silly) why not treat it like the Germans do with any bits of Nazi history. Use it as an opportunity for education?

Stone Mountain was once owned by the Venable Brothers. It was used as a rock quarry and was also the site of a cross burning and Ku Klux Klan activities. It was purchased by the State of Georgia in 1958.

Carving and the Ku Klux Klan[edit]
The revival of the Ku Klux Klan was emboldened by the release of D. W. Griffith's Klan-glorifying film The Birth of a Nation,[7] and coincided with the August 1915 lynching of Leo Frank, who was convicted in the murder of Mary Phagan. On November 25 of the same year, a small group, including fifteen robed and hooded "charter members" of the new organization, met at Stone Mountain to create a new iteration of the Klan. They were led by William J. Simmons, and included two elderly members of the original Klan. As part of their ceremony, they burned a crude cross.[8]

Fundraising for the monument resumed in 1923, and in October of that year, Venable granted the Klan easement with perpetual right to hold celebrations as they desired.[9] The influence of the UDC continued, in support of Mrs. Plane's vision of a carving explicitly for the purpose of creating a Confederate memorial. The UDC established the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial Association (SMCMA) for fundraising and on-site supervision of the project. Venable and Gutzon Borglum, who were both closely associated with the Klan, arranged to pack the SMCMA with Klan members.[10] The SMCMA, along with the United Daughters of the Confederacy continued fundraising efforts. Of the $250,000 raised, part came from the federal government, which in 1924 issued special fifty-cent coins with the soldiers Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on them, but would not allow the politician Jefferson Davis to be included.[11] When the state completed the purchase in 1960, it condemned the property to remove Venable's agreement to allow the Klan perpetual right to hold meetings on the premises.[10]

 

[cyclohexane]

I've been to stone mountain many times. The rock quarry is great, but the carvings look like shit anyway and is much smaller than what you expect. Plus, they charge you $12 for a 20 second cable car ride to get down the mountain. That's the real crime here.

 

[mikeymikec]

No and I have no idea as to how you might come to that conclusion.

For example, given the premise, "all fish live underwater" and "all mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "all mackerel live underwater", but that "if she buys kippers it will not rain", or that "trout live in trees", or even that "I do not love her any more." This she calls "using her intuition". I call it "crap", and it gets me very *irritated* because it is not logical.

Rather than removing it (which is silly) why not treat it like the Germans do with any bits of Nazi history. Use it as an opportunity for education?

Example? Because the first I can think of is that it's illegal to own Nazi memorabilia in Germany. I'm guessing that you're referring to Auschwitz etc.

I think the issue is that there's a difference between displaying shameful pieces of your past in a museum and celebrating them via theme parks. Germany accomplished some great things during the Nazi regime, but they don't have parks dedicated to the great men in Nazi uniform. I'm torn on the issue, because I agree with you that we shouldn't whitewash our past to avoid offending people, and I think there's real value in keeping the monument as is. But I could see how it could be a sore point given the history it represents.

I agree in that it would be bad to whitewash it as well. Knock it down and put a memorial in its place to victims of the slave trade, and/or possibly a museum to educate people regarding that period in history?

 

[Brainonska511]

I agree in that it would be bad to whitewash it as well. Knock it down and put a memorial in its place to victims of the slave trade, and/or possibly a museum to educate people regarding that period in history?

We could keep the mountain facade, but it should be supplemented: build a monument to the victims of slavery at the same site, include a small museum, and some placards that emphasize how the people carved into the mountain are traitors to the United States and that speak to the nature of the crimes against humanity carried out on behalf of states rights (from slavery, the 100 years of terror post-Civil War, and Jim Crow).

 

[Murloc]

this is a stupid request imho. You can't delete history.

What they should do is memorialize these places by building a monument to the victims of slavery close to it and putting panels with pictures and historical explanations on the path.

This is what germans did to concentration camps.

 

[Jaskalas]

The PC police are trying. Knowing how stupid liberals are they'll probably try to get the State of Georgia to do it.

Can't wait for the sweet tears of retribution victimization when the pendulum swings back.

That's why people crying for the destruction of people's ideals, monuments, possessions...etc are short sighted morons.

The pendulum always swings.

They are digging at old wounds, trying to open them up.
Such provocations lead to polarization and shatter Unions.

They think they can freely attack the South without consequence... maybe... maybe not...

 

[CU]

I've been to stone mountain many times. The rock quarry is great, but the carvings look like shit anyway and is much smaller than what you expect. Plus, they charge you $12 for a 20 second cable car ride to get down the mountain. That's the real crime here.

It is the largest bas-relief in the world. They don't get any bigger. We walked down the mountain last year. Not a bad hike. Would have been even easier if I wasn't carrying a 6 year old on my back because he hurt his foot.

 

[WelshBloke]

They think they can freely attack the South without consequence... maybe... maybe not...

Surely there's more to the South than slavers and KKK supporters?
Because even if you're from the South you can still be against some things that happened there.

I'm British and I can see that there was a bunch of terrible things that happened under the Empire.

 

[fskimospy]

this is a stupid request imho. You can't delete history.

What they should do is memorialize these places by building a monument to the victims of slavery close to it and putting panels with pictures and historical explanations on the path.

This is what germans did to concentration camps.

This is a good idea! Like I said, I don't support removing the carving, and as others said it actually looks surprisingly small and is a pretty shitty attraction.

It is a memorial to the confederacy though, and the current state of it is a pretty blatant attempt to ignore inconvenient parts of history. Erecting a memorial to all the victims of slavery and the confederacy nearby would certainly help that.