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N.Y. Times Endorses Obama

Infohawk

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NY Times Endorses Obama

Mr. Obama has met challenge after challenge, growing as a leader and putting real flesh on his early promises of hope and change. He has shown a cool head and sound judgment. We believe he has the will and the ability to forge the broad political consensus that is essential to finding solutions to this nation?s problems.

In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism. His policies and worldview are mired in the past. His choice of a running mate so evidently unfit for the office was a final act of opportunism and bad judgment that eclipsed the accomplishments of 26 years in Congress.
I don't have much respect for the Times but most of this editorial is hard to argue with. One big issue that is hurting McCain right now is judgment. Sure, Obama has made some mistakes like calling out rednecks who cling to their guns and religion, but McCain has made worse calls, like choosing Palin.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sure, Obama has made some mistakes like calling out rednecks who cling to their guns and religion
One, I file 'telling the truth' under a pretty innocuous 'mistake'. Two, he said it at a private gathering without the press - a political mistake, but not like he had put it in an ad.

Was JFK's quote in my sig a 'political mistake'?

Imagine if Barack Obama said the equivalent.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sure, Obama has made some mistakes like calling out rednecks who cling to their guns and religion
Two, he said it at a private gathering without the press - a political mistake, but hardly like he had put it in an ad.
Which makes it even worse because it shows how Obama demeans one group when he is far away, and courts them when he is in their state.
 

nageov3t

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In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism.
thats, like, such BS
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism.
thats, like, such BS
Nope they is dead on.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sure, Obama has made some mistakes like calling out rednecks who cling to their guns and religion
Two, he said it at a private gathering without the press - a political mistake, but hardly like he had put it in an ad.
Which makes it even worse because it shows how Obama demeans one group when he is far away, and courts them when he is in their state.
Except I don't think he was demaning them. You want to see a group who does that, look at Republicans, like Bush kssing up to the religious right but his administration mocking them privately as a bunch of kooks and such. You expect Obama to tell right-wingers his negative opinions about them, instead of simply honestly running his campaign on his policies?
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: Byakuya
Originally posted by: loki8481
In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism.
thats, like, such BS
Nope they is dead on.
Uhm, yeah, okay :roll:
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Byakuya
Originally posted by: loki8481
In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism.
thats, like, such BS
Nope they is dead on.
Uhm, yeah, okay :roll:
its a pretty fair analysis.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
its a pretty fair analysis.
If your more liberal your tempted to feel that way, whereas conservatives will feel it sounds like the usual socialistic editorial style bag of gas that the NYTs is known for.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
its a pretty fair analysis.
If your more liberal your tempted to feel that way, whereas conservatives will feel it sounds like the usual socialistic editorial style bag of gas that the NYTs is known for.
Real conservatives can better admit the truth. Right-wing cult members would agree with you.
 

351Cleveland

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The same NY Times whose bonds were reduced to junk status today?

I know... one has nothing to do with the other... but you mark my word... the next bailout (aka government takeover) will be the media as it starts to fail. Then we will have government owned media under Obama... you guess where it goes from there.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
The same NY Times whose bonds were reduced to junk status today?

I know... one has nothing to do with the other... but you mark my word... the next bailout (aka government takeover) will be the media as it starts to fail. Then we will have government owned media under Obama... you guess where it goes from there.
Nostradamus you aint
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Byakuya
Originally posted by: loki8481
In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism.
thats, like, such BS
Nope they is dead on.
...The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed that McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.
:thumbsup:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...av=rss_opinion/columns

there's plenty of reasons not to vote for McCain, but I can't take anyone who claims that McCain's run a divisive and racist campaign seriously.

all campaigns are, to an extent, partisan and divisive. Obama's certainly not reaching across the aisle anymore. but I don't think the McCain campaign is particularly outside the norm in its partisan attacks. and racist? cracker please.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
The same NY Times whose bonds were reduced to junk status today?

I know... one has nothing to do with the other... but you mark my word... the next bailout (aka government takeover) will be the media as it starts to fail. Then we will have government owned media under Obama... you guess where it goes from there.
Care to make a wager on that?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
The same NY Times whose bonds were reduced to junk status today?

I know... one has nothing to do with the other... but you mark my word... the next bailout (aka government takeover) will be the media as it starts to fail. Then we will have government owned media under Obama... you guess where it goes from there.
No.
 

winnar111

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Read the NYT 1980 Carter endorsement if you want a laugh! :laugh:


'Again and again, Jimmy Carter has seemed all sail, no boat.'
'Mr. Carter's economic policy amounts to nothing more than muddling through.'
'Jimmy Carter has failed utterly in the role of Presidential teacher'.

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: loki8481
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there's plenty of reasons not to vote for McCain, but I can't take anyone who claims that McCain's run a divisive and racist campaign seriously.

all campaigns are, to an extent, partisan and divisive. Obama's certainly not reaching across the aisle anymore. but I don't think the McCain campaign is particularly outside the norm in its partisan attacks. and racist? cracker please.
^ True (Except for the part about Obama not reaching across the ailse anymore, that implies something he stopped doing something he never started.)

Fern
 

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