N.C. Parents upset over Homosexual Children's book

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Moonbeam

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I know, and if you can't answer the questions posed to me for yourself then you're in need of some personal soul searching; The point is that morality clauses aren't rare nor illegal in an employment agreement, and no matter how much you distract from the issue it's not the place of the state to sexualized 8 year olds.
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You probably think as clearly as you write. Have you ever read anything you prevoiusly wrote to see if it makes any sense. I'n not talking bigotry here, but your lack of articulation. Your sentenses are gramatically shakey at best. Posed to me for yourself. What the hell does that mean. And I don't care how you want to rationalize it , birds fly south in winter. That's how you think inthe hind paw is put before the one that came after it. Up in the air for the third time is about enough for me, especially with the price of oranges.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Romans828
I draw the line at people presentling themselves as "strong Christians" and then embracing things unholy and against God.

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its that simple.

As I understand it and believe a Christian accepts Jesus as their Savior. Plain and simple! A strong Christian has no doubt about this. I have not the slightest doubt. But, neither do I live in heaven.. I live here on Earth, in the USA. Here abouts we, the citizens, protect the 'Rights' of ALL the folks. The rights that we demand for ourselves are no different than the rights others demand for themselves.. God ain't in Congress... folks are.. some of these folks ain't Christian.. imagine that...


Are you telling me as a "strong Christian" you are a citizen of this world?
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
I draw the line at people presentling themselves as "strong Christians" and then embracing things unholy and against God.

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its that simple.

No, please, describe to us your faith life, since you judged his in such a manner. I'll wait for you to type it all out.

And I not so respectfully disagree; a person who votes Democratic may not agree with abortion, welfare, or any other contentious issue, yet may still feel compelled to vote because they care less for the Republican candidate. See those people in the middle? They're called "moderates", and their religion has nothing to do with their political affiliation.

I don't support abortion, welfare, or other issues... FOR ME but, for everyone else, they can decide for themselves how they legally wish to live.. and I'll support their right to decide those issues... that are legal... if illegal.. then the courts are there to adjudicate the issue... not me..

It's not anyone's place to question you Christianity, less to rebuke you if your actions are causing your neighbor to stumble.

I'd like to submit that supporting the legalization of abortion is causing your brother to stumble. What think you?

I think I've enough lumber in my eyes that I can't really see what my neighbor is doing... but, I hear him screaming at the top of his lungs.... "FREEDOM"
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
I draw the line at people presentling themselves as "strong Christians" and then embracing things unholy and against God.

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its that simple.

No, please, describe to us your faith life, since you judged his in such a manner. I'll wait for you to type it all out.

And I not so respectfully disagree; a person who votes Democratic may not agree with abortion, welfare, or any other contentious issue, yet may still feel compelled to vote because they care less for the Republican candidate. See those people in the middle? They're called "moderates", and their religion has nothing to do with their political affiliation.

I don't support abortion, welfare, or other issues... FOR ME but, for everyone else, they can decide for themselves how they legally wish to live.. and I'll support their right to decide those issues... that are legal... if illegal.. then the courts are there to adjudicate the issue... not me..

It's not anyone's place to question you Christianity, less to rebuke you if your actions are causing your neighbor to stumble.

I'd like to submit that supporting the legalization of abortion is causing your brother to stumble. What think you?

I think I've enough lumber in my eyes that I can't really see what my neighbor is doing... but, I hear him screaming at the top of his lungs.... "FREEDOM"

You silly goose, your supposed to be getting that wood out so you CAN HELP HIM

Matthew 7
First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Romans828
I draw the line at people presentling themselves as "strong Christians" and then embracing things unholy and against God.

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its that simple.

As I understand it and believe a Christian accepts Jesus as their Savior. Plain and simple! A strong Christian has no doubt about this. I have not the slightest doubt. But, neither do I live in heaven.. I live here on Earth, in the USA. Here abouts we, the citizens, protect the 'Rights' of ALL the folks. The rights that we demand for ourselves are no different than the rights others demand for themselves.. God ain't in Congress... folks are.. some of these folks ain't Christian.. imagine that...


Are you telling me as a "strong Christian" you are a citizen of this world?

I am! I am also telling you that as a citizen of this 'world' (USA) I will do what ever I can to insure you have the freedom to practice your religion and anything else that you are legally able to do. For every freedom I secure for you I secure for me.... and I love freedom.
You see... I believe that God knows all that was, is and what will be.. he also gave each of us freedom to choose. He already knows what choices we each will make. He allows us to choose him or a rock or nothing.. If God meant that freedom for you and me and the homosexual... Why would I want to interfere with what God himself set into motion.? It is ALL about freedom... and legality.
I guess I find it really easy to let others worry about their issues while I worry about mine..

 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
I draw the line at people presentling themselves as "strong Christians" and then embracing things unholy and against God.

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its that simple.

No, please, describe to us your faith life, since you judged his in such a manner. I'll wait for you to type it all out.

And I not so respectfully disagree; a person who votes Democratic may not agree with abortion, welfare, or any other contentious issue, yet may still feel compelled to vote because they care less for the Republican candidate. See those people in the middle? They're called "moderates", and their religion has nothing to do with their political affiliation.

I don't support abortion, welfare, or other issues... FOR ME but, for everyone else, they can decide for themselves how they legally wish to live.. and I'll support their right to decide those issues... that are legal... if illegal.. then the courts are there to adjudicate the issue... not me..

It's not anyone's place to question you Christianity, less to rebuke you if your actions are causing your neighbor to stumble.

I'd like to submit that supporting the legalization of abortion is causing your brother to stumble. What think you?

I think I've enough lumber in my eyes that I can't really see what my neighbor is doing... but, I hear him screaming at the top of his lungs.... "FREEDOM"

You silly goose, your supposed to be getting that wood out so you CAN HELP HIM

Matthew 7
First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

If I were more than but a silly goose perhaps. I, however, view the desires of the many or the one equal. If those desires prevent some or all to miss out on the blessings of eternity then I'll play on as a singleton.. and never worry about yelling 'Fore'..
It seems to me that while you seek to extract lumber from the eyes of others you forget that they may desire to savor the view as they do. Maybe they don't want your help. Maybe they want to be homosexual and maybe ... just maybe they have the right to be homosexual.
In any event, I don't see what planks has to do with getting to heaven.. I think I've read the way to heaven according to my belief and it has one simple requirement...

 

Romans828

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If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Feeling hated or feeling loved in good ole USA?


had to edit to respond in part to your last post..........

Your right about the heaven part ;), but you REALLY need to think about the rest (brother to brother)
 

Zebo

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You project your bullsh!t hell on the world and say it stinks
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Moon that's so succint and true on so many levels.:)


...now I know why I still come here.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
the educator that allowed that into the liabrary should be fired. There is nothing sexual about a young child. Sicko. the writer should be strung up by their privates.

It is ignorant overactive parents who are so appalled at the absolute horror of two males kissing that promotes hatred towards homosexuals. Instead of thinking that homosexuality is just another way of life, we teach kids to fear and hate it. I am absolutely astounded that people are so upset that this book was ?there to be checked out by a first-grader,? when that same first-grader could check out books of the holocaust or other actual atrocities. People need to stop fearing and hating what they do not understand. Perhaps it is not the writer who is the ?sicko?, but instead the person who is ignorant to other people?s beliefs.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Oh.... I'm a social liberal... (fiscal conservative) which means I align with the democratic platform on social issues and am very much a Christian.


If you support the democratic party and its platform/ideals of abortion, gay marriage, God out of our public lifes, etc...

then your a Christian in dire need of rebuke then repentance at best, and certainly not a "strong Christian"

I don't see how you can be conservative and a christian at the same time. Every single platforrm conservatives espose is anti-christain and full of hate and punitive measures today.

On defense: Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Blessed are the peacemakers." "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:44; 5:9; 5:39.)

Does'nt sound much like the hawks on the right, right?

On social programs: "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." (Matthew 19:21.)

As much as conservatives bitch about taxes as "theft" I highly doubt they are standing behind the line at the soup kitchen.

On rugged individualism and the pursuit of self-interest: "Love your neighbor as yourself." "So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you." (Matthew 22:39; 7:12.)

"Greed is good"-Gordon Gecko Rush's/new rights poster child.

On financial success: "Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." "You cannot serve both God and Money." (Matthew 19:23; 6:24.)

Uh huh. I might have a serious problem and I'm a liberal.

On paying taxes: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." (Matthew 22:22.)

So taxes should never be an issue for the christain right.

On crime and punishment: "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (John 8:7; Matthew 7:1,2.)

Christian right loves jail and loves long manditory minimums and death penalty even more. But then they are bible wavers not christains as you've already seen...seems to go hand in hand with flag worshipers who are unamerican.


On moral absolutes: "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?" "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:11; Mark 2:27.)

On the superiority of one's native country: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.'" (Matthew 10:5,6.)

Flag worshipers again..you know "god and country" types on the right.

On letting others pull themselves up by their own bootstraps: "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous." (Luke 14:13,14.)

That's a conservative mantra "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" "i made it so can you" and other BS along those lines.

Nope, Jesus was not just a liberal, but a radical liberal. In money matters the early Christian Church actually serves as history's example of pure communism!

Very few of you will make it to heaven and I posit someone of pure heart like Lunar has an infinitly better chance than any bible hustler/hate peddler/bigots. Accpeting Christ means walking the walk not talking the talk as you'll very soon find..

More food for thought.
 

Romans828

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Thats alot of typing. I think you have some unresolved issues..........

This forum is good for laughs at the end of the day
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Thats alot of typing. I think you have some unresolved issues..........

This forum is good for laughs at the end of the day

I'm disppointed you find it funny. Jesus did'nt laugh at others nor mock them. There's no safty in numbers at heavens gate leave your Chuch now and read the good book arriving at you own conclusions.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Romans828
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Feeling hated or feeling loved in good ole USA?


had to edit to respond in part to your last post..........

Your right about the heaven part ;), but you REALLY need to think about the rest (brother to brother)

We have before us two issues.. On the one hand is the rights belonging to ALL the people and on the other being a Christian among ALL the people. I am fully willfull to allow what is Ceasar's to be his... What is God's God will have notwithstanding the will of Ceasar or me.
I support the rights of the non Christian as well as my own. Besides, they out number me.. hehehe... The only Christian thing I feel obligated to do is to insure as many people as possible know about my belief and my understanding about the way to heaven..If they accept that fine and if they don't fine.. I don't intend to put them into Christian Concentration Camps to make them comply.. free will and all that goes a long way if you attach time to eternity.. .. or a short one if you miss out... but, then... worms gotta eat too..


 

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i think books like that should be introduced far later in a childs life than age 6, i mean, i dont even think kids know if they are gay or not at that age, i would say you have to save that stuff for at least middle school, and when kids really start to deal with their sexuality
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: oddlink
i think books like that should be introduced far later in a childs life than age 6, i mean, i dont even think kids know if they are gay or not at that age, i would say you have to save that stuff for at least middle school, and when kids really start to deal with their sexuality
Those books aren't about sexuality, they are about exposure to common lifestyles which are surrounded bu tremendous prejudice. Prejudice depends for its existence on anonymity and foreignness. Kids who see and experience the fact that other kids have gay parents don't go apesh!t like the cultural primitives who post here. And the inculcation of the bigotry against gays starts way before 6. The intention is to create a more tolerant world and the assholes kick all the way.